"[CIA counter-intelligence chief James] Angleton telephoned me very early at home and complained that Cecily, his wife of thirty-one years, had learned only by reading my story that her husband was not a postal employee, as Angleton claimed he had told her. He added: "And now she's left me." The call shook me up; the upset in his voice seemed real. I mumbled something about a newsman's responsibility to the truth, hung up, and telephoned an old friend who had served in the CIA with Angleton. He laughingly told me that Cecily of course had known from the beginning what her husband did for a living, and had left him three years earlier to move to Arizona, only to return."
|1991, Seymour Hersh, 'The Samson Option', p. 144. A good indication as to the slippery and treacherous nature of CIA counter-intelligence. Fact is weaved together with fiction until you can't discern one from the other anymore. If they can play these games with the New York Times' top investigative reporter, they will do it to anyone. Rest assured that I had to cut out plenty of disinformation from Crowley's narrative as well and who knows how much is left.|
The words cited here are purported to be from CIA covert operations veteran Robert Crowley, about whom not much is known. What could be gathered, I put in Crowley's AFIO biography, as he served on its board of directors until 1989:
"Born in 1924. Head of the CIA's Domestic Contacts Division, Operational Support Branch, Counter Intelligence (OSB/CI), 1959-1962. Retired as CIA assistant deputy director of operations (ADDO) in 1980 (Ted Shackley was ADDO 1976-1978), under DDO John McMahon, deputy director Frank Carlucci, and DCI Stansfield Turner, who pushed Shackley out for his association with the disgraced Edwin Wilson. In 1981 Crowley refused an offer of DCI William Casey, whom he briefed on past covert operations, to get back into the Agency. Together with Col. William "Bill" Corson he wrote 'The New KGB: Engine of Soviet Power', published in 1985. Aided Corson and Joseph Trento in their book 'Widows', published in 1988. This led to his resignation from the AFIO's board of directors. Died in 2000."
There's roughly a 50-50 chance the words in this article were actually spoken by Robert Crowley, with a number of alternatives, ranging from a completely fictional narrative to extensive paraphrasing. Everything pertaining to the reliability of Crowley's words, as well as the complete refusal of author Joseph Trento to help confirm or deny these words, is discussed on a separate page.
Why still put this material up? Simple. It's brilliantly spoken or written introductory material under all circumstances and very close to the truth. That is, when, as has been done here:
- the Crowley conversations are reduced from 170,000 words to 25,000;
- only the words of Crowley are selected;
- various names are corrected;
- the material is carefully organized;
- and virtually all antisemitism and disinformation is taken out.
Read the material as one would read a "based on a true story" roman. It brilliantly pictures the cold, harsh and inhumane reality of geopolitics, covert operations and thinking in the upper layers of society. I found myself nodding in agreement with most of the material, but was still blown away by the ever-succinct and straightforward manner in which Crowley describes over a dozen complex key Cold War operations, the vast majority of it accurately.
I actually learned quite a few very interesting facts from this "roman". This includes Unit 731 inspired biological warfare operations against North Korea, experiments in wiping out Asia's rice crop (both now integrated in the American Security Council article, with reliable sources, of course), the CIA working with the Stasi in international arms deals, the Mossad trying to assassinate Truman, and more.
One final thing to keep in mind: Crowley is clearly talking from his own perspective, which includes ultra-right political views (but not crazy religious), extreme anti-communism, and different rationalizations depending on what mood he was in.
Crowley almost exclusively uses slang, making it sometimes hard to follow who he is talking about. Personally I had never heard about "Foggy Bottom people," "micks," "bogtrotters," "krauts," "frogs" and "beaners." Still cracks me up. I wonder what he called the Dutch.
|Foggy Bottom people||State Department employees|
|Lace Curtain Mick||Irishman with money who mingles with the WASP elite.|
|WASP||White Anglo-Saxon Protestant|
|Beaners||Mexicans and/or Hispanics|
|Ragheads||Arabs and Indians|
|Snake worshippers||Pakis and Indians|
See ISGP's Pilgrims Society article for background and extensive sources on this subject.
"We had legions of [Harvard, Yale, and Princeton people] in the Company. I was a lace-curtain mick from Chicago and I didn't fit in with the sailing and horsy crowd. ...
"As you know, we [the CIA] started out as a small advisory group whose job it was to supply Harry Truman accurate international intelligence. Harry never trusted the Army and he found out about the humped  Gehlen Report [falsely claiming a massive Soviet attack was imminent, something the Army apparently ordered Gehlen to write, despite the Soviets breaking up all railroads in eastern Germany] and wanted more facts to work with. Now we got Allen Dulles [to help set up the CIA] whose brother, John Foster, was a lawyer with Sullivan and Cromwell in New York. Sullivan and Cromwell was, in essence, a Nazi establishment. They were firm supporters of Hitler and worked with the Schroeder bank in Cologne. And you ought to know that when he was Ambassador to England, Joe Kennedy did business with Hitler and got huge blocks of I.G. Farben stock. It got taken away at the end of the war, seized by the Justice Department and one of the first things Joe did when Jack became President was to have him put Bobby in as AG [Attorney General], so he could get his stock back. Oh yes, those people were for Hitler right up to the last week of the war. And even afterwards as well. Of course, now that [neocons] are getting more power here and especially in the CIA, we do not mention any of this. ...
"Allen [Dulles] was never too bright. His brother was a dyed-in-the wool Nazi, just like another one of our DCI's fathers: Prescott Bush. But Allen was not a particularly deep or thoughtful man all in all. His son got shot in the head in Korea and came back an idiot [Allen Macy Dulles, Jr.] so Allen was very bad to him. He ignored him. [unknown, but, according to his sister Joan, he did say things like: "My father was a Nazi spy" until his anti-paranoia medication in 1977] Allen was not a kind or thoughtful man. But his wife really did a number on him at the end. Allen was dying in '69 and they had a Christmas party at his place. Wife was downstairs with the guests, having a wonderful time. Not a word about Allen except that he was not feeling well. Finally, one of the boys decided to go up and wish Allen a Merry Christmas. Guess what he found? Allen lying in a urine and shit soaked bed, completely out of it and mumbling to himself. She had left him up there for quite a while. Ugly. She really must have hated him. The boys picked him up, wrapped him in a clean blanket and took him to the hospital where he died about a month later. She didn't care at all and was very upset that they used one of her good blankets."
"Ah, you know about this, do you? Which one of the seven dwarves enlightened you? Not [Tom] Kimmel, but probably Bill [Corson]. [Douglas: "Actually no. I was speaking of the Plan of the Templars [in general]"] Ah, you see, you do know that. You knew Allen [Dulles] was an initiate, didn't you? ... The Templars have always had money, but they have been an underground power for so long, they are set in their ways. We are public and they are not, so there is a sort of joint partnership here. As I said, Dulles was taken in when he was in Switzerland [note: arrived in Nov. 1942; four years later his nephew, Avery Dulles, joined the Jesuits]. One of the Jung people as I remember. They can open doors, Gregory, don't ever think they can't, but they are always out of the sunlight. ... Custom and usage as they say. We have common interests, believe me. Not anymore [just Catholic]."
"I'll tell you about Sullivan and Cromwell some time, the New York law firm. Dulles was with them. They helped everyone out. Very pro-Hitler once but then the Company was full of ex-Nazis, in fact our Gehlen Org was almost exclusively Nazi. Frenchy Grombach drew up a list of top Nazis wanted for war crimes after the war and [the CIA's James] Critchfield used it at his main recruiting guide. ...
"That whole Gehlen organization was stuffed with Nazis, most of whom were on the automatic arrest lists. He knew this and now he knows you know it. If this ever gets out, I mean really out, it will ruin his career and do damage to the German BND.
"Harry never trusted the Army and he found out about the humped Gehlen Report and wanted more facts to work with."
"I tell you, when we started the Company in '48, believe it or not, we were a bunch of idealists. Of course the Cold War was a fake but we were really interested in fucking up old Joe Stalin and also thwarting the liberal kikes inside the Beltway. Still, idealists at heart. The thievery started later. Gregory, put a poorish man in a room full of gold coins and a few will stick to his feet. Sometimes more than a few. I ran the CIA's business section and believe me, it was a wonderful relationship with the latter-day robber barons. The slide rule Shylocks. I rather like you, Gregory and if I gave you some of the papers I collected, you would either die or become very, very rich. I think they call it blackmail. ...
"The Democrats, and my father was an active one, are more interested in social issues, but the GOP wants unfettered economic power and to get, and keep it, they have no scruples. Clinton may be left of center, but he's economically pretty sound. The Republicans, and I used to be the man for connections with really big business, don't forget, have two goals and two only. They want to establish an ideological police state that is anti-black, anti-Mexican, [and] anti-intellectual... Once they have this, their next goal would be to allow unfettered capitalism to rage unchecked throughout the land, so that they and their friends can get rich quick on crooked businesses. ...
"At this moment, the United States is run by four major power sources. They are all inter-connected and they have the common goal of protecting their asses and increasing their profits. We have what they call big business, which consists of international companies, mostly the huge New York banking giants, but some manufacturing companies as well. This country got great by being a manufacturing country but that's slipping a bit. At the turn of the century it was railroads and steel but that has faded a little… Anyway, we have really big business as one entity. The other is the political part of our society. Most Congressmen are put into office to take care of business. ... Congress passes the laws and since most of them are on the take, they are careful not to pass too many laws to injure their business paymasters. ... Eventually we will see someone in the Oval Office who is also chairman of the board of [the Rockefeller's] Chase Bank. Just joking but there are those who would love the concept. We have business and politics and then we have the Mafia. Yes, it is a huge industry, spawning billions of dollars in revenue. Joe Kennedy turned to them to get Jack elected and then turned on them and began to persecute him using the other brother. Look at all the damage that short-sighted behavior did to the family. And that leads us into our very own CIA. We are at the top of the pyramid, Gregory, for a number of reasons. ...
"I was in charge of business contacts as it were and often a CEO would come to me complaining that this or that country was interfering with their business. Could I help? Of course I would try and if the interference was bad enough, we would try to help our friend by replacing the troublemaking government or president, or king, involved. We justified this by telling the President or his top people that the target country, or president or king was a current serious threat to the security of the United States. In order to support our thesis, we went to one of our wholly-owned think tanks like the RAND people and have them prepare a supportive paper on order. This I would look at and make suitable changes if needed and forward it to our man, or men as it were, on the staff of the New York Times followed by a personal call to the publisher or senior editor and hey presto, the very next day a wonderful story would be on the front page of that influential paper. ...
"I have had a close connection with such groups here for years. Yes, they fluctuate and change but in the end, small groups run everything. How does it go from my own experience? Well, let’s say there is a cocktail party out on the Hamptons. Many rich people there, a small orchestra, drinks served and groups of the rich and powerful chatting about their children, their boats or their horses or the last trip to Paris or Rome. Florence if they are cultured. And then a few of the guests, all men, drift off to the library where the door is locked and they sit around in comfortable chairs, drinks in hand or perhaps a very expensive cigar or two. And then after some casual comments about life in general, they get down to specifics about how things are supposed to happen."
Only discussed with sources here.
"I told Jim dozens of times to keep away from the Hebrews but Jim never listened. He was hip deep with the mob, but they weren't trying to sell the dreaded white man down the river, like the Jews do. My God, I wouldn't let them into my department because I know what they're like, but they've gotten in the door elsewhere. Pollard was only the tip of a huge iceberg. ... I really liked and admired Jim but [he] had terrible friends. They got more out of him than he ever got out of them, let me advise you. ... Jim loved the Jews and I warned him many times to be careful. But he never listened and got that Mossad right into our organization. What I'm truly afraid of is that these shits suck up all kinds of secret information and off it goes to Israel, mostly through their Embassy here, a real spy center."
Integrated, with sources, in the American Security Council article. Only in 2010 reports emerged that biological warfare, seemingly the result of Shiro Ishii's continued research, was carried out by the U.S. against North Korean citizens on a pretty significant scale. This happened even after MacArthur was removed.
"I just happen to be in an expansive mood today so I can run a few of the more wild ones past you. There was the Army plan to start bubonic plague in Soviet military units in the east zone of Germany to prevent an invasion of the West. We had a German military specialist working for us on that, plus, of course, many USAF people down in San Antonio. Never went anywhere. Then, by the way, do you know why Truman really sacked MacArthur? ... It was his intention to infect the Chinese and North Korean armies with the plague. ... as well. ...
"I told you MacArthur had set the Kempeitai Doctor [Shiro] Ishii [of Unit 731] up in Tokyo in a chemical and medical lab, didn't I? ... Ah, the redoubtable Dr. Ishii. After we took over Japan, he was caught along with his staff and they were planning to try him for very ugly war crimes, but MacArthur, acting on specific orders from the Pentagon, rescued him, set him with a big lab in Tokyo and back they went to developing the bubonic plague. I guess they were going to use it on the Russians if all else failed. ...
"When the war in Korea broke out and we were in serious retreat, MacArthur wanted to nuke them. We didn't have a hell of a lot of such weapons, but he was serious. Truman said no, so Mac decided to, as he said, "radically reduce their effective troop levels." For this, read: the plague. I don't know how this got back to Truman, but a project like that is really hard to conceal and Mac took too long messing over the logistics of it. When Harry found out about this, he blew his top and sacked MacArthur on the spot. Mac was crazy, of course, but was such an idol here that Truman got reamed on this, but it really had to be done. We hanged German and Japanese leaders after the war for far less, believe me. ..."
"[CIA drug trade] started out in the golden triangle [in part] under my direction and just spread out. ...
"I remember the time [in December 1949] we had to fly the KMT general [Chiang Kai-shek] out of Burma with an Air America [began as Civil Air Transport in 1946] transport full of gold. He was our boy out there, but he had a hankering to make more money, so he began to raise opium and used our weapons to kill off the [Taiwanese] locals. Thirteen million in gold and twelve trunks full of opium. Quite a problem getting it all into Switzerland and into a bank. But he performed and we kept our word.
"That fucking Colby was into drugs as well. Yes, our beloved DCI. A nasty piece of work, Gregory. Was working in Sea [Supply Corporation] doing the drug business [in Burma, Thailand and Taiwan since 1951] when he was tapped for Phoenix. And just kept on going when he got to Saigon. ...
"The drugs, of course, bring in astronomical amounts of loose money. And if some rival group cuts into the business, we get them removed. Ever read about huge heroin busts somewhere? Our rivals going down for the third time. All of this is part and parcel of the Plan. ...
"I detect a critical attitude here, Gregory. You have to realize that the amount of money we were, and are, making from our drug partnerships is nothing to walk away from. Vast sums of money, Gregory, and enormous political power therefrom. ...
"It's rather funny when you read about the growing drug menace because elements of our government are involved even as I speak in assisting in the importation of many tons of marijuana and opium derivatives. Oh yes, Gregory, our government, not the mob or the Columbian drug cartels, are the real drug dealers. We started with Colby and a few others and like Topsy, it just grew. I'm afraid we don't run it but it now runs us."
"Ben Bradlee was the managing editor of the Washington Post and was our man all the way. ... Ben's best friend when he was a child was [later CIA director] Dick Helms. After Ben left Harvard during the war, he joined ONI and worked in their communications center. ... Not generally known, however: war was over and Ben was sent to join the ACLU as a spy. ... [Later] Ben was off to France where he worked in the embassy in Paris where he did propaganda work and started working very closely with us. Then he went to work for Newsweek. Ben is an ambitious type and he ditched the Saltonstall woman and married Toni Pinchot. Her sister, Mary, was married to Cord Meyer, our beloved Cyclops...
"I had to deal with the media for years. Cord [Meyer of the CIA] and [CIA/OPC boss] Frank [Wisner] did the publishing companies and I worked with media corporate. We had a death grip on them. Couldn't and wouldn't print a word if we told them not to or ran puff pieces we wanted out. ...
"I can guarantee that the press will either keep very, very quiet about you or will make a fool out of you. We still do control the press and if we say to trash an enemy, they will do it. And if the editor won't, we always talk to the publishers. Or, more effective, one of my business friends threatens to pull advertising from the rag. That's their Achilles heel, Gregory. No paper can survive on subscription income alone. The ads keep it going. In the old days, a word from me about ad-pulling made even the most righteous editor back down in a heartbeat. We bribe the reporters and terrify their bosses. They talk about the free press who know nothing about the realities. ...
"We control most of the major publishers or if we don't, they would never dare to put out anything that would get us upset. Hell, we have our man right there in the New York Times and they jump through the hoops, believe me. The Times is in our pocket absolutely. Of course for silence, we give them inside stories. Sometimes, Gregory, the stories are actually true. Can you believe that? ...
"We always wanted to emulate Colonel [Edgar] Hoover's good PR. You know, the Hollywood and radio dramas about the wonderful G-Men. I think we established a far more effective system but then, of course, I am prejudiced. Before we were finished, we had our fingers in every pot imaginable from the major media to book companies, television networks and so on. ... We infiltrated our people into every level of the business, political and professional worlds and you never knew when one of your people might bring home the bacon. I can say with some pride that, let’s say, we wanted to get some legislation passed, it was a piece of cake. ...
"We had to cover up failures as well. I think you can say that the Company [CIA] pretty well controls the media in this country now. Take the AP for example. Every little jerkwater paper out in East Jesus, Texas, cannot have a reporter in Washington or Moscow so they rely almost entirely on the AP for anything outside their town. I mean if a cow waders out onto the highway and wrecks a truck or the local grange burns down, sure they have the local reporters, but for what's going on in Washington or elsewhere, it's the AP.
"Look, you get on a plane in New York bound for, say, Chicago. You read the paper and then stuff it into the seat pocket and get off. In Chicago, you pick up the Tribune and read it. Same national and international news. Fly to [San] Frisco and the same thing. The AP is a wonderful asset, believe me. Let's say you want to put a story about that a certain foreign potentate is about to get kicked out. Or better, you want him kicked out. So, we plant a story with the New York Times, the Washington Post or other big papers and then get AP to send our special message all over the damned country. Let's say we start in the night before. By the six o'clock news the next day, all of America knows just what we want it to know and we do this so anyone reading an article can only come to the conclusions we want. ...
"Oh yes, [as said,] the paper out in Podunk, Kansas is not controlled but all it talks about are whose cow won a prize at the state fair and how the local football team is doing. No, those papers are not controlled because no one but a bunch of hicks read them. But the AP, all the major papers, magazines, publishing houses and television people are under tight control. ... The media is owned by corporations. ... Corporations control the media. If some article injures any one of them, or has the potential to do so, the article ends up in the trash along with the reporter. I know the New York Times does just what we wish them to do, print what we wish them to print and kill off any story we tell them to. Besides, we control the AP and all across the country, many of the national and international news stories come directly from the AP. ...
"If something gets loose, who will publish it? Surely not our boys in the media. A book publisher? A joke, Gregory. Never. ... One thing [the CIA's Frank] Wisner did was to build up a very cooperative media and that includes book publishers. ... Even if some big [publishing] house printed [a sensitive book], it would never see the light of day. Why? Because our people would block it. It's that simple. They would ruin you as they have ruined many other authors who have gone before you for daring to speak ill of them. Can you imagine the New York Times reviewing it? I think not. I think not ever. One phone call from us and into the wastebasket with any kind of commentary, good or bad. Gregory, the blanket of silence would descend upon you, believe me. Silly idealists somehow believe we have a free press here, but it is as tightly controlled as it is in Russia or it was in Hitler's Germany. ...
"Your publisher is not big enough to reach too many people and a bigger one would be told right off not to talk to you. I also might suggest several things to you. If anyone tries to come to visit you, and they want to bring a friend, don't go for it. ... The so-called friend would be a government expert [there to look at your papers]. ... And one other thing, if you get a very nice offer from some publisher you never heard of, just begging you to let them publish, be warned that they would take the manuscript, send it to Langley and if Langley thought it was dangerous, give you a contract to publish it along with a token payment. Of course they would never publish it but since they paid you and had a contract to publish, you could never find another publisher. They'd get a court order in record time, blocking it. Just some advice. ...
"You're not a Company man, Gregory. They'll do everything they can to keep you out of print. Threaten any prospective publisher with dire financial problems and believe me, not one article about you or your book will ever appear in any American newspaper or on any American television talk show. And I mean ever. They'll put a blackout on you. And I can assure you that even as I speak, [the CIA's] Jim [Critchfield] is gathering in all kinds of government informers to write terrible things about you ...
"Let us say that you write a newspaper article on what I just told you. It would never get published and within minutes of you submitting it to an editor, we would be notified. ... No, [they would] trash you. Laugh at you. Get our little broken down academics to piss on you. The press would ignore you completely and eventually, you would find something else to do. Now, on the other hand, if you had been one of us and had inside knowledge and worse, proof, you would perish very quickly. ... But as an outsider, just laughter and silence. ... We would look into your tax records and turn the IRS loose on you or let your wife know you were boffing a nice waitress at a cheap local motel. Or one of your nice children would be introduced to dangerous drugs. ... Rather than off some snoop, it's much more subtle to marginalize them in print, imply they are either liars or nuts and make fun of them. Discredit them so no one will listen to them and [maybe] later, the car runs over them in the crosswalk. Oh, sorry about that, officer, but my foot slipped off the brake. I am desolated by that. And we pay for fixing the front end of his car. ...
"I developed H&K [Hill & Knowlton] as a purely captive asset... One of my jobs with the company was to keep up our connections with major business and H&K was my baby. ... We used them to plant our own agents all over the world. It is a wonderful cover. We have some of the major columnists, of course, and many editors and more than a few publishers, but putting our own agents in, say, in France or Ottawa, is a great advantage, believe me. And H&K had the best, the very best, connections. Bobby Gray [Robert Keith Gray] was Ike's [Eisenhower's] press secretary and was a good friend of Nixon and Reagan and had their ear. ... Not only H&K, but a number of other firms have been of inestimable help to us. They plant stories we want planted, they open offices in foreign countries of interest and let our men come in as employees and so on. The PR people can move mountains. [Howard] Paster, who not only worked for H&K, but also the Clintons, worked with Bill's people to neutralize the Lewinski scandal which was really not political but religious in nature. The right wing Christians, who are as crazy as shit house owls, wanted Clinton's scalp so they could put one of their own pro-Jesus nuts in the White House. ...
"Never [will there be made accurate movies about these subjects], Gregory, I can promise you that. A [movie] studio that even considered this would be bankrupt within a few months. No, none of this will ever see the light of day and if you want to continue walking around, remember that silence is golden."
Note: I'm still 50/50 on MKULTRA's effectiveness and actually suspect some useful results came from it.
"I mean, these mind control idiots did far worse than [microwaving a few black prison inmates alive]. Is that true? I don't doubt it for a second. [Ewen] Cameron once decided to put a woman into ice water to see if he could break down her resistance and she died of shock. That sort of thing. Loaded one of their own [Frank Olson] with LSD and when he started screaming, got frightened and tossed him out of a hotel window. Oh, and we mustn't forget the Goat Boy. That's the strange Dr. [Sidney] Gottlieb. We called him that because he lived in a hovel and kept a bunch of goats around. He used to have sexual affairs with them.
"We have had lots of people like that. Fortunately, for my sanity at least, and my reputation, I was in the intelligence branch and I left the care and feeding of the nut fringe to others with stronger stomachs. Believe it? I have no knowledge of that incident but I believe it. I can see why your Mr. Bender would be queasy about that. You know, if things like this ever become really public, they will burn all of us at the stake. I personally never was involved with such madness and actually, outside of my own areas, I had no real idea what we were up to, but I can tell you that we had more than our share of raging nuts on board. ...
"Drs [Sidney] Gottlieb and [Ewen] Cameron were two more crazies we paid millions to for the purpose of creating controlled agents…mind controlled that is…that we could use as assassins. They killed people by microwaving them, tossing them out of windows, giving them heart attacks and killing off all kinds of failed experiments. Gottlieb poisoned them and Cameron lured them out into the Canadian wilds and shot them in the head. My God, what raging idiots and not even the slightest successes. Millions wasted. Joe Trento lusts after these files, which I slipped out when I left, but I really don't think Joe is capable of doing anything with them. If you want them, I'll get my son to box them up and ship them to you. ...
"[Gottlieb's] real name is Scheider. Grandfather was a rabbi. That one is as vicious as they come and crazy. He believes in out of body intelligence work. The what…the remote viewing crazies. You know…out of body experiences. Yes, I am sorry to say we put good taxpayer's funds into the strangest things. ... Oh, please, leave the poor doctor [Cameron] in peace. Completely nuts and starting to show it so he passed away, very quickly, while on a hiking trip. ...
"Gottlieb was crazy and Cameron was crazier with their experiments, but at least Hubbard [of Scientology] had a run for everyone's money and enjoyed lots of teen-aged pussy before they offed him.* Gottlieb fucked goats and we had to off Cameron for everyone's welfare. No, we had nothing to do with the Hubbard business. ...
"Both of them were worse, even than the mythical Mengele. You should walk around this one, Gregory. No one cares anymore, but the Goat Boy is still alive and he could send you a virus laden box of candy."
* In the full transcripts Crowley talks about L. Ron Hubbard and how his own people, mainly Heber Jentzsch (president of Scientology since 1982, but missing since 2004) and David Miscavige (leader after a power struggle since 1987; accused of being very cruel and abusive to his personnel; close to Tom Cruise), took him out. According to Crowley, the CIA did not create or run Scientology, but the names of Jentzsch and Miscavige did appear in the Crowley list as CIA informants. It is not clear if Crowley or Douglas added these names, but clearly there's another link here between the transcripts and the Crowley list.
For extra clarification, the Crowley list consists of the 1996 full AFIO membership plus roughly 100 additional names manually added by Crowley as persons he knew to be CIA assets. We can't be certain, however, that Crowley is the one who added these additional names.
Extremely interesting in light of ISGP's research. The facts of the 1970s and 1980s more or less dictate that Allen Dulles set up a program as described here. Critchfield visited the elite Cercle group, with its considerable ties to elite child abuse networks. This includes pimps with a surprising degree of knowledge about controlling and manipulating DID/MPS. So who knows.
"Oh, we do have our stable of weird people working for us. Did I ever tell you about the Pedophile Academy? We actually had one down at Camp Peary, right near [the CIA's] Jim Critchfield's place. I don't know if you are aware of it, but we called it "The Farm" and it was supposed to be a secret training center for young agents. Anyway, Allen Dulles set up this training center down there for pedophiles. They were in training to seduce, molest and, most especially, photograph the young children of targets. Not only, Allen reasoned, would our graduates have a spanking good time but they could get wonderful action pictures of the wee ones to blackmail their families with. ... I understand they broke it up when one of the graduates nailed a [CIA] Deputy Director's son at a summer camp."
Someone named [Colonel] Hayden Peake [with a military intelligence and CIA background]. Have you ever heard of him? ... No, except in his own mind [he is important]. He's one of our librarians. He whined to me that you were pure evil and I shouldn't talk to you. He's a friend of Critchfield [and Robert Gates and Sam Halpern] ... I told him that I personally had met Mueller in the late '40s, here in D.C and that whatever his so-called proof consisted of he could shove up his ass. For a denizen of P Street here, he might have enjoyed that exercise. ...
"That's a street much beloved by many of our leading lights here, Gregory. Leather bars, whipping salons, way-stations for muscular young servicemen wanting to make a few dollars on the side, or on their backs. You know what I mean. I asked Bill [Corson] about this asshole and he did some checking and mentioned an establishment called the Fireplace [a gay bar at 2161 P St NW, 500 m / 0.3 miles west of Dupont Cicle]. You know, the Company used to be an inspiring place to work when we got started. Hell, if the D.C. police ever raided the P Street places, half the senior people at Langley would be in custody, along, of course, with a number of top military people and not to mention certain key Congressmen. The other half of our new leadership would be in synagogues. Jews and fairies, Gregory. It's sad. At any rate, I have had it up to here with these people. ...
"We have an entire subsection devoted to the care and feeding of queers. It's under the [CIA's] Science and Technology people and consists of raging homos whose job it is to infiltrate groups of prominent Beltway queers, get the information on them so we can blackmail them into doing what we want. We've set up male whorehouses around here, all equipped with special mics and cameras so we can get the evidence on the creeps and then twist their arms. They staff these places with young military personnel…mostly Marines but quite a few Army people, and naturally sailors. We have a lot of Congressmen in the basket and one hell of a lot of senior military people around to do what we want, not to forget foreign diplomats, important business people and, as you say, some impressive religious leaders. It's mostly the military that we bag and a large number of the far right and the very fanatical religious types.
"You would be astounded the number of fairies in high places here and most of them are in our little bags. And they do perform for us. A proper vote on yearly cash allotments, no questions asked, shutting off people who don't like us, promoting or assisting those who are known to be on our good list. We have one Supreme Court justice, at least five appellate court judges, God knows how many senior FBI people, quite a few NSA personnel and, who would be shocked, enough State Department queers to stock a good hotel. I, personally, have nothing to do with this but my friend Ed is involved in the administration of this and he has mentioned governors, senior senators and so on that he can jerk around at leisure.
"Of course we set up the male whorehouses but never, ever have any of our people on the premises. We have surveillance monitors all over the neighborhood and perhaps next door listening to the tapes and turning on the TV cameras but we don't want one of our straight people bagged if the local cops raid a place. The DC cops are stupid and corrupt beyond belief but one never knows if they'll get a wild hair up their ass and pull a raid. If they did, of course, we could quiet it down in the court system here but it's better to be safe than sorry. It does pay off, Gregory, and I can assure you that I, personally, have nothing to do with it.
"Oh, God, it would be wonderful if you put all of this into your books but if you did, don't talk about it in front or you would have many problems. Faggotry is a fact of life, Gregory, but none of these assholes want to be exposed. Nixon had his times with Bebe Rebozo too but of course never in one of our DC peg houses. That never went anywhere but I know it's true. There are tapes. We bug all kinds of rendezvous places like certain motels, beach houses and so on. For example, we couldn't bug Nixon’s place in Florida but we certainly could bug Rebozo. It's quite an area of exploitation, Gregory. Once we nailed a very senior Israeli diplomat who liked to be whipped by muscular young blacks and when we wanted some information, Jim [Angleton] just casually showed him some stills from a surveillance tape and you would be amazed how much instant cooperation we got on a certain Arab matter. And speaking of diplomatics, the Saudis are absolutely the worst. They'll fuck anything in sight if it's warm, and my, they do have lots of money."
Note: This is roughly the period of prime importance of the base.
"Why we wanted the [Philippines] escapes me. The problem with that country is that it's full of Filipinos and monkeys. Of course it's often hard to differentiate between them, but life is never easy. The Navy calls them the niggers of the Orient. I was at Pubic Bay once ... A service joke. My God, Gregory, every square foot of land for miles around that base was filled with bars and tens of thousands of local prostitutes. "Oh, you nice American! I love to fuck you! Take me back to America!" And many of our corn-fed sailors went for the okeydoke and found out what Hell was like once they got Esmiralda back to Iowa. Ah well, thank God I never listened to their whining siren songs. (Laughter) My, isn't it fun being bigots? Underneath the nice, polished veneer, we are all really cheap plywood. "
"You spoke of Guatemala to me once. You said your uncle was in the business [with United Fruit and W. R. Grace & Co.] didn't you?... And when [Jacobo Arbenz] Guzman wanted to nationalize the banana plantations and spend the money on the stupid peasants, why the business interests got together over cigars and brandy and worked out a plan. Then one of them brought it to one of us. And then we discovered a terrible Communist plot, directed from Moscow of course, to set up a Soviet Republic in Central America. The president was solemnly informed of this vile business and gave his OK for counter measures. In essence, we supplied the weapons and expertise and the unfriendly government was overthrown and replaced with a friendlier one."
"Sometimes we made bad calls like the time we pushed Fidel Castro into office only to have the bastard turn on us. ... Or the United Fruit people demanding we get rid of [Jacobo Arbenz] Guzman in Guatemala because he was expropriating their banana plantations. The man we put in after we kicked Guzman out turned on us and we had to shoot him [shot by palace guard Rameo Vasquez] but in theory, it was a slick deal. Sam Cummings got Nazi weapons from the Poles and we shipped them over there on a freight line we owned and for a little while, Levi and Zentner were happy. It was a question of helping our friends."
Some good sources on this can be found here.
"Sometimes we made bad calls like the time we pushed Fidel Castro into office only to have the bastard turn on us. I remember the howling the Alcoa people did when he nationalized their plants in Cuba. ...
"Did you know that the CIA put Castro in office? No? We were tired of Batista and some moron thought Castro would cooperate better with our business interests. He did not and both big business, Alcoa mostly, the mob and the Company tried for years to kill him. You don't need to write about that if you please. ...
"We were asked by our mob friends to get rid of Batista in Cuba who was shaking them down more than usual so we were happy to oblige fellow workers in the vineyard of the Lord. Unfortunately, one of our people put Fidel Castro forward as a brilliant reformer and out went Batista and in went Fidel. Of course we do not talk about that. ...
"And we had some use for [Jack Ruby] earlier over sending guns to Castro. I suppose you knew that the Company was an early supporter of Castro? Put him in place, as it were. Now that was a classic mistake. I had nothing to do with that. We spent years trying to clean that one up. Kennedy found out about our role in that because he had Bissell's phone tapped and loose lips can sink careers as well as ships."
"The JCS was planning to fake Cuban attacks on American targets to justify a military attack ... Blame Castro and then attack him. On that project, which included blowing up a commercial aircraft with Americans on board and setting off bombs in major cities, Eisenhower was in full support. Kennedy found out about it by accident and pulled the plug. ... Considering that his father was such a crook, it's amazing how uncooperative his son [JFK] was. ... That wasn't one of ours, by the way, and neither were the plague attacks. ..."
Integrated, with sources, in the American Security Council article. There were Army projects on this in the early 1960s on Okinawa.
"Did I tell you about the idea to wipe out Asia's rice crops? We developed a disease that would have wiped rice off the map there and it's their staple diet. The fucking rice growers here got wind of it and raised such a stink we canned the whole thing. ... Too many people found out about it and our rice industry howled that it could easily spread over here and ruin their business. Not that they cared about the Chinese and others, just their own profits. ... The theory was that the disease could spread around and hurt their pocketbooks. If the Mao people invade Alaska, we can tell the rice people it's all their fault."
"One of our people read Malthus and went to Dulles with a plan to thin out the world's population, after inoculating our citizens, or most of the non-colored ones. That is still in the active file somewhere. If you read of a national immunization day coming up, that will be a token sign. ... The main reason why they never got started [is because of retribution]. Pragmatic, not moral. ... When you have been where I have been, these [moral] objections fade away very quickly.
"Of course, there is something to be said about depopulating Africa. They're a bunch of incompetents who are sitting on very valuable natural resources, such as gold and uranium and when they all die, the treasures are there for the finding. ... Africa is full of people who are only a generation or two out of the jungle. They ran out the white people, who set up the business structure, and now they are running around with spears, eating each other. Why be concerned if they pass away and give the civilized part of the world access to their unused natural resources? ...
"A left-wing nigger gets into power in the Congo. The Congo has huge uranium deposits. Will Moscow get the uranium? The Belgian businessmen come to us for help. We agree to help them and we get into a civil war and murder [prime minister Patrice] Lumumba. One of our men drove around with his rotting corpse in his trunk. The head of the UN [Dag Hammarskjold] starts to interfere in matters, so we have an aircraft accident that kills him very dead and stops the interference. We tell the President about the uppity nigger, but not about poor dead Dag. We tell them what we want them to hear and nothing more. ...
"[Natural resources is] why we killed off the head of the UN. He was interfering with the uranium business in the Congo, so we had a little aircraft accident. We basically shot him out of the air. And that put an end to his meddling in important matters. Uranium, I don't need to remind you, is vital for our weapons programs. Balance that against one meddling Swede and I don't think there's much of a problem. ...
"These are matters of state, not an exercise in morality. We have to do unpleasant things from time to time. I recall our man driving around in Africa with the rotting body of Lumumba stuffed into his trunk back in '61 after we killed him. People go off fast in that climate. He said he was sick for days trying to get the stench out of his nose. Feel sorry for the poor man, why not? That sort of work is never easy. There are often sleepless nights."
"Well, I have quit a bit of background on Vietnam, Gregory, and in one sense, you're right [that Vietnam was a mess] but this is hindsight and hindsight is always right. We got into Vietnam a little bit at a time and for reasons that seemed to be correct at the time.
"The French ran their Indo-China for years and had a lucrative trade, especially in rubber. [Word War II] came, France was beaten by the Germans and the Vichy French government was controlled by the Germans. When the Japanese, who were allied with Germany, wanted to get into Indo-China, they asked the Germans, who told the French to let them in. It was the rubber they were all after. It couldn't do Germany any good, so they forced Vichy to help the Japs for political reasons. During the war over there, a local resistance group started up, anti-Japanese of course. The problem was that it was run by local Communists, but as FDR loved to cooperate with Communists [note: a bias of Crowley against the working class], it was partially supplied by us. War was over, Japan defeated and the country reoccupied by the French.
"Political dissent [in Vietnam arose] and the French began to lose effective control over the rubber. We wanted [French President Charles] De Gaulle to join NATO and his price was for us to assist France in their colony. Little by little, we did.
"And there was another element. JFK was Catholic and South Vietnam was filled with Catholics who wanted to be protected from the Communists and Buddhists. [Cardinal] Cushing put on the heat and Kennedy then began to send some support units over there. The French had suffered a major propaganda defeat at Dien Bien Phu and French popular opinion demanded a withdrawal. The French got us to substitute our people for theirs with an agreement to share the rubber revenues with us. And it went on from there. Ho [Chi Minh] had little to work with, but he conducted guerrilla warfare that was very effective. To counter it, we had to pour huge numbers of troops and equipment into the country. We did terrible damage to their infrastructure, but they kept coming back. We set [future CIA director William] Colby up with 'Phoenix' to neutralize VC [Viet Cong] supporters in the south and of course they launched a program of terror, as the press called it, against practically all the civilian population outside of Saigon. ...
"The frogs [French] wanted us to protect their interest there, mostly the rubber plantations and the possibility of rich offshore oil deposits. We agreed to assist and then they became great friends with us in Europe. No, Kennedy refused to go along with this, at least in the beginning, and nixed sending troops to Laos. He was convinced to send some token forces to Vietnam, but later balked at increasing their number as the locals rebelled. We stood to lose a good deal in that country. Both money and face. We put the Diems into power [in 1955] and they were making trouble at one end and Kennedy, by his stupid idealism, was making trouble on the other. I was in charge of most of the 'Nam business at work and I came to the unspoken conclusion that we could not win a guerrilla war there, especially when the Russians were arming the Cong. It was obvious that even ten million troops could not keep the lid on there for long, but who was going to bell that cat? Not Johnson, who might have been a great power broker with Congress, but who was useless as tits on a boar pig when it came to military ventures. Those of us who could see into the future, based on the present, knew it was an unwinnable situation but no one dared to make a move towards disengagement. ...
"Kennedy was not going to do the Army's bidding and escalate the local anti-guerrilla campaign in Vietnam. The Army was planning on a massive expansion. There would be contracts with the private sectors that would enrich the men with stars on their shoulders and more jobs for their friends and more bases and so on. No, they wanted a controlled war there, way away from the continental United States. ..."
"That fucking Colby was into drugs as well. Yes, our beloved DCI. A nasty piece of work, Gregory. Was working in Sea [Supply Corporation] doing the drug business when he was tapped for Phoenix. And just kept on going when he got to Saigon. Phoenix got to be a really nasty business and Bill set up torture centers all over our part of the country. Regional Intelligence Centers they called them. ...
"[Reminded of a Phoenix employee under Colby's who enjoyed drilling into victim's eyes and brains:] These things happen in war, Gregory. I knew the man you're talking about and I can assure you, he feels great remorse for some of his actions. ... You're far too liberal in your views, Gregory. If you want to be successful, you have to be more realistic."
Crowley has spread A LOT of disinformation on the Kennedy assassinations it appears:
As for the Robert Kennedy assassination, there's literally no evidence of a conspiracy. Arab immigrant Sirhan Sirhan killed him over RFK's support for Israel.
The ZIPPER file is bogus. It mentions many of the right players, but Crowley appears to have been too junior in 1963 to have played the central role he claims to have had. He has done this on other occasions: putting the blame on himself/taking credit for operations his superiors ran.
Gregory Douglas' Kennedy book 'Regicide' from 2002 contains little of the following insights, except for the disinformation. And what it contains, is certainly not spelled out in such a clear manner as here allegedly by Crowley.
The whole Kennedy-Bolshakov connection that Crowley sometimes brings up seems to be blown way out of proportion to rationalize the killing of JFK.
The Mauser appears to be disinformation by the Dallas police in charge of assassination scene.
Oswald most definitely was not just a patsy and most likely it was not a coincidence he ended up working for D.H. Byrd's TSBD a month before the assassination. Throughout the years the CIA appears to have moved him around non-stop. Also: Oswald was the only one not seen immediately before and during the shooting, the only one to run, etc. He was still undercover/in role after his arrest when demanding a communist lawyer. Oswald had a lot to do with the assassination, but that doesn't change the fact that there was a second shooter.
"All the stories about mysterious tramps, men with umbrellas, men in the sewer, fake epileptics throwing convenient fits and so on are just smoke and mirrors. All the mob bosses, Cuban exiles, rich Texas oilmen, Richard Nixon and anyone else suggested either couldn't or wouldn't have tried to shoot Kennedy. You see, we had Hoover and the Johnson people in our camp. With these, we could shut off any inconvenient revelations at any time. And we have iron influence, let's call it, with the major media so no worry there. We have various retrospective television programs, usually somewhere around November 22 each year that rehash all the idiot stories and I watch them with great humor. Beats 'I Love Lucy' for real humor. ... We're responsible for a lot of that. ...
"Angleton was a first class counter intelligence man and very dedicated. And he discovers that the most important intelligence reports, the President's daily briefings from the CIA, are ending up in Moscow. Within a week of them being given to the President. A week. And this was not a one-time incident but had been going on for some time. We then tried to find out how this was happening. ... Anyway, they found out that Bobby was talking to the Commie [Bolshakov] on the phone from his home so we, and Hoover, tapped his phone. Hoover didn't know we were doing it too, but that's Washington politics for you. And we heard, for sure, that Bobby was sending thermofax copies of this report to him. I mean, there was no question. And, we learned too that Kennedy was keeping in direct contact with Khrushchev by Bobby and the Russian. I mean they were subverting the entire diplomatic system and God alone knows what Kennedy was talking about. ... And that is where the decision was made to simply get rid of Kennedy. He was too independent, he had sacked Dulles and Bissell over the Cuban thing and threatened to [Mike] Mansfield to break the Agency up. And here he was giving our worst enemy top secret inside information. I mean, it really wasn't open to discussion. You can see this all, can't you? ... Kennedy was committing the treason, not us. It was he and his vile brother who were passing our most sensitive and secret documents to our enemies. What were we to do? Confront him? We'd all be fired, or worse. What choice was there? Tell me that. ...
"We were certainly determined to stop him from breaking the CIA up as he was seriously planning, and the Army was determined to have its profitable [Vietnam] war and then there were the business people and the Mafia in the wings. ... But the unforgivable sin as far as Kennedy was concerned was his going around us and establishing a personal contact with Nikita Khrushchev. Not done. All Presidents had to use us [always forgets to mention the State Department, which would be diplomacy above his head] as firewalls or contacts. Presidents had to rely on us for their information and what would come of it if they dealt directly with some hostile head of state? This would erode our power and essentially relegate the CIA to being mere messengers. The power? As keepers of the flame, others had to bow to our power but if we lost that power, all of us would be back on the chicken farm. That was the final straw, believe me. ...
"After Kennedy was dead, our agency would reveal to all the world that the Russians had plotted this and then Johnson would order a surprise nuclear attack on them. ... That was a sort of afterthought [nuking Russia]. Angleton hated the Russians and he did know that the Kennedy people were in touch with the KGB and Khrushchev people, so he went from there. [note: later at the American Security Council, loaded with people who thought a first-strike nuclear war with Russia was winnable] You might say that Jim was the sparkplug on that engine, right along. ...
"The Kennedy family were living in a dream world their father had convinced them was real. Power can come from money, Gregory, but power has to include working with others who also have power. Dictators cannot function with powerful barons too close. Either kill them or replace them with ciphers. No other choice. So in a sense, Kennedy was going from bad to worse and plots were being hatched all over the place during the last year of his reign. ...
"Oh yes, ... the mob [was] out to get Kennedy, because of his brother's attacks on them, ordered by Joe, the ex-bootlegger. Listen, we had the cooperation of the leadership of the FBI, who would have the lead in the investigation, but the mob would not, and if that ever got out, Hoover would have to clean their respective clocks for them. No, in spite of their hatred of him, they would never have done such a thing. ...
"[The anti-Castro Cubans were] emotional enough and after they felt Kennedy had deserted them during the Bay of Pigs disaster. They had plenty of motive, but no opportunity and emotional as they are, they would boast and Hoover's men would have nailed them. ...
"I know people in the Chicago mob and as much as they detested Kennedy, and they did get him elected by voting every cemetery early and often, they are far too smart to even try to kill a sitting president. ... Meyer Lansky was a very smart man and the same I said about the Chicago mob would hold true for him and his boys: they wished Kennedy dead, but let someone else do it. ... [And] Castro is not a stupid man and even though it leaked out, on purpose of course, that we were trying to kill him, Castro did not have the connections to reverse the attacks on him. Like the mob and others, he was not sad to see Kennedy killed, but had nothing to do with any real plotting. ...
"And I can recall that when Hoover learned of our house cleaning project, he jumped on board with the caveat that we also get rid of Bobby. John hated Bobby… Yes, Colonel John Edgar. Franklin made him a Colonel but Hoover was pissed off that he wasn't made a general at least so he never used the title, but it was there. Anyway, we had no problem with Hoover because Bobby was telling his staff that Hoover was a fairy and John Edgar didn't like that and when Bobby dug into Hoover's past and discovered relatives as black as the ace of spades, he got livid with rage.
"Killing a sitting President is never easy and one has to move with great care in such matters. Too much talking at the wrong time and in the wrong place can wreck even the most ambitious plans. We knew what had to be done and the opening gambits were to secure the agreement of other power brokers. We got [vice president] Johnson on board through the good offices of Abe Fortis, who would have sold the rotting corpse of his dead mother to the dog food people if they paid him enough. LBJ was a pill in the box in that he had some knowledge and lusted for the Oval Office. And again, Bobby was an irritant by calling him 'Uncle Cornpone' all over the Beltway. Johnson was used to power and did not like being ignored and marginalized so he smiled and kept quiet.
"We certainly had Hoover and some of the top people in the Pentagon, the full support of the mob and a few other necessary organizations. The Mafia could get their gambling halls back again [with] a dead Bobby who was having his fun persecuting the very people who put his brother in the Oval Office. ... We all need friends, Gregory, and the AGs deliberately harassing the Mafia in Chicago was very, very unwise. I point out that Jack Ruby was one of their enforcers there. Dare I say more? ...
"Oswald had nothing to do with the business. [note: disinformation in the opinion of ISGP; with virtual certainty Oswald was the first shooter] Nothing at all. He was an asset of ONI and he worked for both of us at Atsugi. That's our U-2 base in Japan. He spoke Russian, after a fashion, and was instructed to act like a Marxist to rope in some Jap spies there. A clever young man but a bit of a trouble maker. No, Oswald had nothing to do with it. I said we had used him once and we had a dossier on him. He was perfect for the role of patsy. Married the niece of a top MVD officer, an avowed Marxist and so on. And, joy of joys, he worked at the book building. We had the presidential cavalcade rerouted to go right past it to be certain. And we had a resource in the Cuban Embassy in Mexico who swore Oswald was in there trying to flee to Cuba. It does pay to have people in the right place, Gregory. Never know when you might need them.
"The Mauser belonged to the wrong people so the other piece was substituted. [note: disinformation in the opinion of ISGP; the gun at the TSBD appears to have been a Carcano from the start] We made sure that could be traced to him. And we got the wife to admit seeing the wop gun. Of course in her condition, she would identify a crossbow or a polar bear. ... Poor idiot. Jesus, what a wife! First class bitch. Thought Lee was a millionaire and when she came here, she would strike it rich. Turned out she lived in a slum and she had to put up with a loudmouth husband and then got stuck with a kid. No wonder she did what we told her. ... Later, they got Oswald's bitch of a wife, being deposed, and two phony Russian translators who would claim that she had seen the very rifle in Russia. Of course that was a .22 target rifle and the one we planted was the cheap wop piece with a cheaper scope so that one went out.
"Oswald knew a little too much, just a little, but enough. And he could prove he never shot Kennedy. So he had to go before he started to talk. Oswald knew some of our people and he worked directly for ONI, so there were dangers there. ... Oswald had nothing to do with the business but was involved in other things for us. If he came to trial, very ugly things could have come out and we couldn't control a courtroom scene. Better to insure it never went that far.
"Ruby was from the Chicago mob and I had connections with them through my father. [They] got him to do a job on Oswald. ... Ruby had cancer and knew he was probably going to die soon enough so he was put up to silencing Oswald. Oswald was not involved and if it ever went to trial, it would all come out. The Navy didn't want it to come out that they hired him and the FBI didn't want it out that he had worked for them, so everyone was happy when Ruby did his deed in the basement. Of course later, he found out they might execute him instead of letting him die comfortably in a Dallas hospital, so he got alarmed and was trying to get out of it. ... The locals were going to try him and he was starting to sweat the electric chair so he threatened to talk. ... I don't know why, Gregory. He knew all about keeping quiet, but he was ... very emotional - not stable. ... Certainly [we killed him]. Ruby died of rampant cancer. As you are aware, Gregory, we can give people fatal heart attacks and cancer is only a little more difficult and problematical. A medical examination, an injection with cells and so on. Ask a good oncologist. It is possible to do this. It takes more time but what did Ruby have? There was no immediate danger of him blabbing so we pacified him with stories of last minute rescues and let him die.
"Jerry [Gerald] Ford was no threat. A wonderfully cooperative man, Jerry was. During the Warren Commission, he called up old Hoover every night with the latest confidential dirt. No, Jerry was no problem. And the peanut farmer was too self-righteous to bother with and harmless. ...
"No, I did not hate Kennedy. Kennedy came from a family that was as crooked as a dog's hind leg. His father was a rum-runner and a whore monger and vicious as hell. Jack wasn't so bad but he couldn't keep it in his pants and used drugs in the White House. And enough of him for the time being."
"The Kennedy business has the myth makers working overtime. Have you read any of the fantasy books? Men with umbrellas? People hidden in the sewers? Hoover shooting at him from some bank building? The Hunt brothers potting away from a black helicopter? Well, we're responsible for a lot of that. Feed silly rumors to the babblers in the nut fringe and they stir up so much mud, you can't see the truth. ... God! Fifty thousand books and all of them fuller of shit than a Christmas turkey. ... Ah, but there was a man on the grassy knoll [note: like dozens of witnesses testified, the Zapruder film shows, and as been caught on audio tape]. Not in the sewer, of course, but I read that there were men in the trees, on the roofs of various buildings and lots of very funny stories. Of course we were responsible for most of them. Keeps the idiot public satisfied and very confused. ...
"Lost track [how many books we sponsored]. Hundreds. One thing [the CIA's Frank] Wisner did was to build up a very cooperative media and that includes book publishers. ... We paid most of those people to put out nut stuff. The [Mary] Ferrell woman, one of the conspiracy theme people, is one of ours. We have others. We have a staple of well-paid writers whose sole orders are to produce pieces that excite the public and keep them away from uncomfortable truths. I imagine if and when you publish, an army of these finks will roar like your angry tiger and we won't have to pay them a dime. They've carved out a territory and if you don't agree with them, they will shit all over you. I wish you luck...
"At this point, there is little danger of embarrassing facts getting out, but we kept our hand in. The Ferrell woman is one of ours and she is a strong influence over the nutties. ... [She] is our best. She controls the [JFK] library [Mary Ferrell Foundation] and she belongs totally to us. ... We can plant any kind of a distraction we want, but actually, most of the distractions are from the fertile imaginations of self-important people. ...
"This sort of silly shit keeps the buffs all a twitter and with all of the books, seminars, tapes and so on, they keep anyone from digging too deeply into the realities of the dastardly deed. All the stories about mysterious tramps, men with umbrellas, men in the sewer, fake epileptics throwing convenient fits and so on are just smoke and mirrors. All the mob bosses, Cuban exiles, rich Texas oilmen, Richard Nixon and anyone else suggested either couldn't or wouldn't have tried to shoot Kennedy. You see, we had Hoover and the Johnson people in our camp. With these, we could shut off any inconvenient revelations at any time. And we have iron influence, let's call it, with the major media so no worry there. We have various retrospective television programs, usually somewhere around November 22 each year that rehash all the idiot stories and I watch them with great humor. Beats 'I Love Lucy' for real humor. ...
"Oh yes, we started all kinds of confusing and idiotic stories and kept most people away. You read 'Case Closed', didn't you? My, Herr Posner just loved and really believed the Warren Report, didn't he? And the New York Times couldn't wait to praise the hell out of that piece of crap and make Gerald [Posner] rich. That's how it's done in a nutshell, Gregory, in a nutshell. I talked with the [New York] Times people myself and they were panting and eager to praise this to the skies. ...
"When the conspiracy idiots babble on about secret societies, they don’t have any idea what they're talking about. They go on about the CFR and the Masons but they don't know the half of it. ...
"Ah yes, the nut fringe. Highly entertaining material. ... Muddy the waters. Keep the public eye elsewhere. Away from dangerous subjects. The public loves conspiracies, so we supply them. A real conspiracy is difficult to conceal, Gregory. Too many people, too many chances for leaks. Joe gets drunk and tells his brother and so on. Sometimes, we've had to remove people like that but not very often. ... Don't forget that [the FBI] people can shut you down very quickly. They'll find a machinegun under the front seat of your car and off you go, screaming innocence all the way to the big house. ...
"The Air Force would have [papers of the UFO phenomenon] but we don't. We had nothing to do with it [at least not at the level of assistant deputy director of operations], but it was common knowledge that there were visitors not from this world. ... The issue is national panic, that's why [it is not acceptable]. Harry Truman could see this and the Roswell business [note: total disinformation in the opinion of ISGP] and other things were all shut up and the press fed with reams of fake sightings and they got their in-house historians to write satires on the little green men. And even now, they encourage the nut fringe to publish silly crap and engage in hair pulling contests, just to keep the public looking at other things."
It remains a great story, but in the mean time this author has demonstrated in great detail why the official story of the RFK shooting is completely accurate, this in contrast to the official narrative of the JFK assassination.
"You don't know any of this, of course, but [William] Sullivan was up to his neck in business that would have put him away for life if it ever came out. He was top man in the Bureau and Hoover's hatchet man. Besides being involved up to his neck in the [JFK] business, Bill also took out King and Bobby Kennedy. ... The Colonel [Hoover] hated Bobby for calling him an old faggot and harassing him. And King too. He hated King because he was having an affair with a white woman and, on top of this, had gone to the Lenin school in Russia. ...
"Bobby was a nasty piece of shit who made enemies whenever he went for a walk. He was his brother's hit man, in a figurative sense, his pimp. He was the AG, put in there by Joe [Joseph Kennedy - Pilgrims Society] so Joe could get back his confiscated [I.G.] Farben stock and also go after the mob. Back in Prohibition, I can tell you, Joe was a partner of Capone's and Joe was stupid enough to rip Al off. Al put out a contract on Joe and Joe had to pay Al to cancel it. And from then on, Joe was out to get anyone in the Mob. Pathological shit, Joe was.
"Well, when Bobby got to be AG, he harassed old Hoover, trying to make him quit. Not a very good idea, but then Bobby thought he was safe. His father was very rich, his brother was President and he thought he couldn't be touched. For example, Hoover used to take a nap on his office couch every day and Bobby would bang into his office and wake him up. And worse, Bobby would tell his friends, at parties where there were many ears, that Hoover was an old faggot. ... Hoover stayed in power because he had files on all the men in power, to include JFK and his father. Not a man to antagonize is it? ... Johnson was terrified of Hoover and kissed his ass on every occasion... [Hoover] stayed in absolute power because he had enough real dirt on Congress to put most of them away in the cooler or the loonie bin. No, Bobby signed his death warrant when he did those things.
"Bobby was running for president and it looked like he might make it. That's when Hoover talked to Sullivan and we know the rest. Just some background here. This Arab [Sirhan Sirhan]: Note that Kennedy had come down from his suite in the Ambassador Hotel to give a victory speech. Came into the hall from the front door with all his happy staff. Big crowd. One of his aides, Lowenstein I believe, told him they should go out through the kitchen exit. And there was what's his name waiting [Sirhan]. But he shot at Kennedy without question, with a dinky .22 but never got to within five feet of him. The official autopsy report said Kennedy was shot behind the ear at a distance of two inches. Now that sounded to me like a very inside job. They steered him into an area where an assassin was known to be waiting and made sure he bought the farm. In all the screaming and confusion, just a little bit of work by a trusted aide or bodyguard and Bobby was fatally shot.
"That was the second one of Hoover's pet hates. The first one reminded him of the nigger relationship [Martin Luther King] and the other had called him a faggot. Hoover had his moments but if you stepped on his toes, off came your head. But Hoover was afraid of Sullivan, so he left him alone. ...
"It was an agreement. We did John [Kennedy] and Edgar did the others. We had one of our men there when they did Bobby, just to observe. We got George the Greek [George Joannides was later spotted on pictures at the Ambassador Hotel at the time of the assassination, seemingly with Gordon Campbell and David Morales, all JM/WAVE employees under Ted Shackley and linked to the JFK assassination] to keep an eye open. They got one of Kennedy’s people to steer him into the kitchen after a speech and the raghead was waiting. One of the Kennedy bodyguards did him from behind while all the shooting and screaming was going on. Much better than John. They had a real shooter in front of real people. None of the questions like we had in Dallas. No loose ends so to speak. And King was another clean job. Sullivan was very good. ...
"I think Hoover was more asexual than homosexual. A really vicious old man. Do you know how he kept from being kicked out by succeeding Presidents? He kept files on everyone of consequence, both in business, the media and, especially, government. The real dirt as it were. And no one, not the President, the Attorney General or Congress to whom he had to go every year to get the yearly appropriations would ever dare to cross J. Edgar. ... We had a working relationship with him, observed, I might add, in the breach more than not. The old faggot put his men in foreign embassies as legates while our men were the USIA. We tried to take them over, but it never worked out. We just made their lives miserable instead."
For background and sources, look here.
"Hoover did King. He hated him with a visceral passion ... because he was having an affair with a white woman and, on top of this, had gone to the Lenin school in Russia. ... Hoover was a nut, but a very powerful and very dangerous nut. There is a long-standing rumor here that Hoover had passed the color line and that he was part black. Hoover was a homosexual and there we have two reasons to hate yourself. King was black and he was a womanizer. And Bobby was AG and loathed Hoover. ...
"No, Hoover did King and Hoover did Bobby. Not himself, but he got Bill Sullivan to do it. Sullivan was his hatchet man and we worked directly with Bill. But then Bill got old and was starting to babble like old people do and he was hinting about Hoover, who had sacked him after he had used him. No, that doesn't make it, so some kid shot Bill right through the head. He thought he was a deer. My, my. ...
"Hoover also was probably a queer but again, not proven. He had his areas of great sensitivity, let's say. No, he hated King because J. Edgar hated blacks. I mean, really hated them. Wouldn't let them in the Bureau and persecuted any black leaders he could. Like Marcus Garvey. Hoover was outraged that King had a white girlfriend and did everything he and his Bureau did to slam him. Finally, as he got older, Hoover got nuttier and decided to have him killed. Sullivan ran that operation. First they tried to tap his phones and plant stories about him and when that didn’t work, they offed him. ...
"[MLK killer James Earl Ray:] Another Oswald. You see, the Bureau has a very small group of miscreants who do jobs on people. Sullivan ran them for Hoover. Ray was a very minor and very low class crook. A smash and grab type. Bust a window in an appliance store and run off with an iron or a toaster. Break into a laundromat, jimmy open the coin boxes on the machines, steal the coins and then cut his bare feet on the broken glass he left breaking the window. Hardly sophisticated enough to shoot King, escape to Canada, get a fake Canadian passport in the name of a Montreal police officer and flee to England. Not likely. If Ray knew who put him up to being a front, they would have killed him just like they shot Oswald. Ray didn't know, although he probably guessed at one point, and off he went for the rest of his life. He can scream innocent until he dies and no one will listen. ...
"Bill [Sullivan] and Hoover had a falling out and Hoover sacked him. Not only did he sack him, Hoover began to threaten him. I guess Bill got terminated finally because he had begun to grumble too much and to the wrong people. ... He went out for a walk one morning and some young hunter thought he was a deer and shot him in the head. ... Terribly remorseful. Severe punishment for [the hunter]. Lost his hunting license for a year. Think of that. For a whole year. A terrible tragedy and that was the end of that. ... Bill thought that because J. Edgar was dead, he could mouth off. He was a bitter man and then he was a dead one. With all his baggage, Bill should have stayed in New Hampshire and enjoyed his retirement. ...
"The man who shot King, Ray, knew nothing, so he got to live and end up in jail until he died. He knew there was something wrong but, and this is important to note, he had no proof."
"We had such a weight on us, protecting the American people, often from themselves I admit. Many of these stories can never be written, Gregory. And if you try, you had better get your wife to start your car in the morning. ... There were times when we prevented terrible catastrophes and tried to secure more peace. We had trouble, you know, with India back in the 60s when they got uppity and started work on an atomic bomb. Loud mouthed cow-lovers bragging about how clever they were and how they, too, were going to be a great power in the world. The thing is, they were getting into bed with the Russians. Of course, Pakistan was in bed with the chinks [Chinese] so India had to find another bed partner. And we did not want them to have any kind of nuclear weaponry because God knows what they would have done with it. Probably strut their stuff like a Washington nigger with a brass watch. Probably nuke the Pakis. They're all a bunch of neo-coons anyway. Oh yes, and their head expert was fully capable of building a bomb and we knew just what he was up to. He was warned several times but what an arrogant prick that one was. Told our people to fuck off and then made it clear that no one would stop him and India from getting nuclear parity with the big boys. ...
"Loud mouths bring it all down on themselves [so] let's use the past tense if you please. Name was Homi Bhabha. That one was dangerous, believe me. He had an unfortunate accident. He was flying to Vienna to stir up more trouble when his 707 [Air India Flight 101 with 117 people on board] had a bomb go off in the cargo hold and they all came down on a high mountain way up in the Alps. No real evidence and the world was much safer. ...
"Ah, who knows [how many others died] and frankly, who cares? Aren't we being a bleeding-heart today? You've been in that game so why be so holy over a bunch of dead ragheads? Who cares, Gregory? We got the main man and that was all that mattered. You ought not criticize when you don't have the whole story. [So] don't worry about it. We could have blown it up over Vienna but we decided the high mountains were much better for the bits and pieces to come down on. I think a possible death or two among mountain goats is much preferable than bringing down a huge plane right over a big city.
"I call it as it see it. At the time, it was our best shot. And we nailed Shastri as well. Another cow-loving rag head. ...He was a political type who started the program in the first place. Bhabha was a genius and he could get things done, so we aced both of them. And we let certain people there know that there was more where that came from. We should have hit the chinks too, while we were at it but they were a tougher target. ...
"You say you don't know about these people. Believe me, they were close to getting a bomb and so what if they nuked their deadly Paki enemies? So what? Too many people in both countries. Breed like rabbits and full of snake-worshipping twits. I don't for the life of me see what the Brits wanted in India. And then threaten us? They were in the sack with the Russians, I told you. Maybe they could nuke the Panama Canal or Los Angeles. We don't know that for sure but it is not impossible. ...
"[Being friends] with the likes of them? Not at all, Gregory. The only thing the Communists understand is brute force. India was quieter after Bhabha croaked. We could never get to Mao but at one time, the Russians and we were discussing the how and when of the project. Oh yes, sometimes we do business with the other side. Probably more than you realize."
"I remember when [the Israelis] attacked the [USS] Liberty and were killing Americans. Deliberate of course, and the Navy sent aircraft to wipe them out. [Lyndon] Johnson found out about this and stopped the flight. Why? He didn't want to offend Israel. ... [Dead Americans] pale into insignificance when balanced against the vital needs of precious Israel. At the time, they were murdering captured Egyptian soldiers and they didn't want us listening in, so the tried to sink the ship."
Whatever the exact truth behind Watergate, there was major manipulation by the FBI and CIA. Some things just don't make sense or are too coincidental: the retaping of doors that led to the capture of the burglars; Mark Felt, the replacement of Bill Sullivan at the FBI, as deep throat, blowing open the scandal to the Washington Post; the CIA looking the other way; the limited focus on Nixon and his aide; or the Dorothy Hunt crash. A timeline of events has been included in Nixon's biography for the Cercle list.
"Old Joe [Kennedy] was as crooked as they come. ... I never really liked Nixon, but [in 1960] they connived and stole the election from him slicker than snot off a glass-handled door knob. ... The Company brought Nixon down but of course he made it easy to do. ... Nixon's problem is that he was a jealous outsider and never fit into the political or intelligence community. But a smart man, Gregory, very smart, and very ambitious. ...
"That's one of the factors that brought him down [his loathing of the liberal press]. Nixon's downfall started in early '72 when he went to China. It was a bold move and it had an effect everywhere. It also had an effect in Taiwan. Old Chiang Kai-shek had a bloody fit when he saw this. I mean a bloody fit. He saw this as the beginning of the end of U.S. support for him and he wanted desperately to stop the slide. His intelligence chief and a couple of bigwigs came to see our DCI [Richard Helms] and wept in his office. If Nixon normalized relations with the PRC, it would spell the end of a mutual special relationship, just like our special relationship with Israel. The long and the short of it, Gregory, is that they wanted Nixon out of power before he went any further. And, the pleasant part of this, is that they were more than willing to pay us very, very well for accommodating them.
"No [they didn't want him dead], just removed so he couldn't do them any more damage. We later did discuss killing him but two dead presidents in ten years was a bit much so we hit on another ploy. We would discredit him. Our main man in all of this was Howard Hunt who had wonderful ideas of his importance and besides writing bad books, he had been very helpful in the Kennedy business in '63. He was our station chief in Mexico between August and September of that year and set up the fake 'Oswald' visit to Mexico City. ...
"Anyway, Howard [Hunt] arranged for faked pictures, testimony that Oswald had been there at the Russian embassy and so on. Useful. Now let's move ahead a few years. Nixon had won his last election in a landslide and you know he was never too well wrapped. He had a huge inferiority complex and the press did not like him. Herblock the cartoonist with the Post really made some ugly cartoons of him and Nixon was overly sensitive about that sort of thing. So with his victory at the polls, he got a swelled head and began to get even with his opponents by turning the FBI and the IRS loose on them. Things like that. Remember the Enemies List.
"Fine. So Hunt was connected with the Nixon people as a trouble-shooter and got involved with going after Nixon's perceived enemies. [Operation Gemstone, under G. Gordon Liddy and Hunt] He planted the idea that McGovern, a raging liberal twit, was in contact with Castro and getting Cuban money. The next thing was to suggest that they bug the DNC offices to get proof of this and ruin McGovern. A break-in, and they had been breaking into offices and homes for some time, a break-in was planned but it was planned to fail. They taped a self-locking door open, someone tipped off Watergate security and you know the rest.
"We could read Tricky Dick like a dime novel. True to form, he believed he was an imperial figure and acted that way right up to the end. Hunt played his part and I’m sure you watched the thing unfold, right on the five o'clock news every night. For a smart man, Nixon was very stupid and played right into our hands.
"Of course [Hunt would go to jail - after being linked to the burglars through a phone number]. He had to fall on his sword but Howard didn't like the idea and he began to whine about this. We had to show him the light and after that, he went right along with the schedule. ... No [no shooting], we arranged for an accident when she was flying west. Dorothy was helping Howard with some little project he thought would help him, so we sabotaged her plane in DC. Tampered with the equipment. Plane came in for a stopover at Midway, suddenly lost altitude and smashed into some local houses. Midway is a terrible field, believe me. Right in the middle of an urban area and the runways are far too short. Anyway, down it came on top of people and the wife was dead. The local authorities found ten thousand in cash in her purse by the way. But it had an effect on Howard….. [It killed] a few on the ground and forty or so in the plane. But the point is, Howard kept to his end of things or he would have been next or perhaps a close relative. He knew the score, Howard did. ... Lenin said you can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs first. And Gregory, you surely can't believe that there any really innocent people in this world? We are born in original sin as you know. ...
"Remember Al Haig? The General? Yes. Well we were afraid that Nixon wouldn't leave peacefully and might turn to the military for help so we put Al in [in 1969, under national security advisor Henry Kissinger] to keep Nixon on the straight and narrow and limit his actions in that area. Worked out fine. And the chinks [the Chinese Chiang Kai-shek occupying Taiwan] were happy as a clam with the results. ... Some things are destined to happen and all they did was to prolong the final act [of opening up to China, which was Kissinger's project, who continued under Ford]. ...
"Jerry Ford was no threat. A wonderfully cooperative man, Jerry was. During the Warren Commission, he called up old Hoover every night with the latest confidential dirt. No, Jerry was no problem. And the peanut farmer was too self-righteous to bother with and harmless. Actually, Nixon was lucky. If the Watergate thing hadn't worked, we would have found something a little more permanent. ...
"Nixon was a Quaker and God knows what he would have thought about [JFK]. Nixon wasn't into what our Russian friends call wet actions. ... I [also] don't really know [if he knows the details of his removal] and I don't really care. He knows enough to keep quiet and count his money. I don't think he wants his twilight years terminated with prejudice. He might be paranoid but he is a pragmatist in the end. That ought to hold you until we move on to other presidential removals."
See ISGP's death list for details.
"No, that term ["Terminate with extreme prejudice"] is used for in-house problems. Like the unfortunate fellow who shot himself in the back of the head and jumped off his little boat with weights on his feet. Things like that. ... [That was] John Arthur Paisley. He used to be the deputy director of the [CIA's] Office of Strategic Research. ... When we shot Paisley in the back of the head and chucked him off his sail boat, we put weights on him so he wouldn't come up. When divers did find him, he was rotten to the core. Had to cut off his hands to try to get fingerprints. ... Tragic. Shouldn't have sold out to the Russians. ... We [actually] let it get out he was suspected of dealing with the Soviets but actually, it had to do with the Kennedy business."
"[Gottlieb's] real name is Scheider. Grandfather was a rabbi. That one is as vicious as they come and crazy. He believes in out of body intelligence work. The what…the remote viewing crazies. You know…out of body experiences. Yes, I am sorry to say we put good taxpayer's funds into the strangest things. ...
"Well, there were indeed very strange people in our ranks, I'll grant you that. We had [Sidney] Gottlieb, [Ewen] Cameron and other odd ones. The [Ingo] Swann person was another one. You know, the Remote Viewing insanity. ... My God, not that crap again, Gregory. Yes, we started it. You see, we got news that the Russians were working on psychic phenomena called psychotronics. The theory, and it was never more than that in my mind, was that an agent who was trained could give information about something hidden from physical observation while the so-called viewer was at a distance from the sought-after object. This was on my watch and was gathering steam about '69 and into the '70's. Let me see if I can…Gregory, give me a minute of so and let me get into my files…
"Here we are. The first program was named SCANATE which, according to this, means scanning by coordinates and we started funding this utter idiocy in ’70. We got a hold of SRI...
"No problem, Gregory. We also used the services of Science Applications International Corporation in the same town. What do you know about SRI? As a local? ...
"Gregory, I consider myself to be an intelligence agent with an Army background. I consider myself to be innovative enough but not interested in crazy stories about psychic powers. There are no psychic powers, Gregory, only psychos babbling away to themselves. Jesus, some of our people believed all of this. It started out costing about fifty thousand and went upwards from there. A number of us spent some time trying to persuade people like [Allen] Dulles and [Richard] Helms to abandon this nonsense, as well as the completely useless MK-Ultra programs that were draining our available funds and spending valuable time on things that did not work and could not work because they were based either on wishful thinking or downright fraud. They had all kinds of con men running around claiming that they were psychic and could see into KGB headquarters. SRI and the morons in the upper levels actually hired the American Institutes for Research crooks to work on some Stargate project in conjunction with the Army and in spite of a total absence of any kind of proof, they only discontinued their crap as late as '95. I have boxes of gibberish on this. By God, Gregory, we spent twenty million on this fantasy crap before it stopped. [John] McMahon was fascinated with this. He became Deputy Director before he fouled up and got the sack in '82 [Unclear. McMahon was deputy director of operations (DDO) 1978-1981 under Stansfield Turner, with Crowley serving under him as his ADDO; and CIA deputy director under Casey 1982-1986, during Iran Contra years]. Went to work for Lockheed Martin as a lobbyist [but executive vice president Lockheed Missiles & Space Co. 1986-1988, president and CEO 1988-1994]. Poor John was another strange one."
"The Cong did have captives and they either died in captivity or we did get them back. After we pulled out and they said they won, relations got back to relative normalcy. No, the stories are basically just that, stories. But in this case, there are organizations interested and when organizations are interested, there are charity drives, requests for money and so on. If there were any number, say over ten, Americans still captive, we would know about it. Most of this is just self-serving hype and I would not believe any of it. ...
"And what about the voluntary stay-behinds? There were a few in Korea and a few in Vietnam. And as to the missing in action, most of these are men killed when a chopper full of troops crashed into a quagmire of a rice paddy complex and the bits and pieces scattered all over the place and soon covered with mud. No, leave the dead alone, Gregory. Maybe in the future, some bones or a dog tag will show up and another missing man will be at least partially found. ...
"[And] we both know that [Japanese-held POWs] is pure crap, but please do not say such things, even in jest because some clever person will take it up and have a Freedom for American Prisoners of Imperial Japan Foundation with a retired Marine Corps general as honorary chairman."
Can't be certain about this, but Wilson most definitely was targeted by the CIA, MI6, British Tories and other ultra-right intelligence assets for removal. Before resigning he also began displaying signs of premature Alzheimer, what today is seen as a evidence that even people who continually stimulate their brain can get this disease.
"Yes. Regretful collateral damage there [when taking down the airliner with Howard Hunt's wife on it]. And sometimes, if we have access to a person who, let us say, is not dangerous now, but could become dangerous later on, or who has to be removed to make room for someone else more friendly to us, to move into his place. We got rid of a British Prime Minister that way. Wilson. Too left-leaning for a lot of us so he suddenly got dementia and vanished from the scene.
"Well, the people up at Detrick are very good at such things so, as I recall, they got up a solution that had a lot of mercury and aluminum in it and we got one of the doctors on MI6's payroll to inject him. Can't have him just drop in his tracks so the injections come over a period of time as he gets dottier and dottier. It works, so don't knock it. That’s the long, slow but very safe way. They tell me that an autopsy won't show it. They just figure the poor fool went around the bend and bought the farm. And if the mark is too well protected and we don't have anyone close enough to him to put a nice additive in his food or drink, we just shoot him in the head when he takes an open car trip through Dallas."
At the time, Mountbatten died, there was an unprecedented wave of IRA assassinations: Sir Richard Sykes (March 22, 1979), Airey Neave (March 30, 1979), 1st Earl Mountbatten (Aug. 27, 1979), Christopher Tugendhat (Dec. 3, 1980; survived), Robert Bradford (Nov. 14, 1981). I never found any good reason why these people should have been assassinated by anyone else than the IRA. True or not, this information fits.
"To change the subject, you mentioned Mountbatten some time ago. What can you tell me about that? ... Tell me what you know and I will comment on it. ... We got connected with the IRA people because we wanted to protect a certain oil refinery in Belfast that they had been threatening to blow up. The CIA has many, many friends in business and one of them asked us to be sure they left the project alone. So we supplied them explosives, intelligence and some support in exchange for their neutrality concerning American property in Ireland . It worked out [but not for Mountbatten]. ... He was a pompous ass."
"The P-2 Lodge was also involved and they were ours. The P-2 Lodge was an Italian Masonic group and early in 1970, we got our hands on it. It was designed to attract right wing Italian bankers and businessmen to combat the very active Italian Communist party."
"The first one [Pope John Paul I] was going to put a terrible crimp in our drug business out of Italy... He had been told that there were certain irregularities in the IOR. That's the Vatican bank. And the new Pope was inclined to be honest and was demanding a full review of the books and so on. If this had happened, a good deal would have been uncovered so the Pope had to go. It was that simple, Gregory. Politics had nothing to do with it, nothing at all.
"[The Pope] had nothing to do with it, but it was the Vatican Bank. We used it to launder money. Who, I ask you, who would ever question the Vatican Bank? It was the Mafia who had the inside bank contacts and believe me, there was a lot of money moving around. Let's see, the Pope was elected in, I think, August of '79. He replaced Montini. Former Vatican Secretary of State… He was Paul VI. Anyway, we had a fine working arrangement with the Italian Mafia about the movement of money as I said. ... The Mafia was involved in this up to their eyebrows and if any of it had come out, someone would have talked and pointed to us. We couldn't have that.
"Our Station Chief in Rome [Dewey "Maroni" Clarridge: station chief Ankara, Turkey 1968-1973, Rome 1973-1981; became a favorite of William Casey in 1981; chief of the Latin American division 1981-1984, on to Contra business; William Mulligan] ran the show. Contacts in the Vatican and especially with [Renato] Buzzonetti, the Pope's doctor. My God, old Renato cost us plenty. On our payroll since God knows when. And our Political Psychological Division worked on this to put the blame on the KGB.
"No, if the Pope had started something, it would have wrecked years of hard work on our part and ruined some of our more important assets. In the end, it was money, not Renaissance-style politics that did Luciani [Pope John Paul I] in.
"[The Vatican] suspects [us] but would rather not know anything. After the Pope assumed room temperature, we consolidated and revamped the system. There was quite a bit of mopping-up to do. We had to kill off a number of Italian players who had been pushed out of the picture and were longing to get back into the money. One hanged himself from a bridge in England [Roberto Calvi]. Obviously killed himself out of remorse. ..."
This is also very interesting, because I could never figure out a reason why Pope John Paul II needed to be assassinated, as he was more than right-wing enough and a supporter of Opus Dei. But the Grey Wolves link and subsequent CIA propaganda against the KGB speak for itself.
"We also went after John Paul II [in 1981] but that one didn't work and we didn't want to try it again. ... We tried to do the second one to blame the Russians. It was a sort of a game with us. Always try to do a bad bit and make it look like the Russians did it. ... Turn all the world's Catholics against the Russians in a hurry. ... Not a trivial motive at all.
"We thought that if we had him done in right in front of everybody, it would draw a lot of attention and we could really blame it on the KGB. It was a perfect set up. He was a Polack who was agitating the [pro-Catholic] Solidarity people against Russia so who would be the most logical suspect? And we had been financing the Turkish Grey Wolves for some time. They got the hit man for us. Of course he didn't know anything, so no one shot him in the courtroom. ... He's not an Arab, a Turk. They do not like to be equated with Arabs."
"BCCI was, is, a Paki bank, set up by a high-rolling con man and fraud expert named [1001 Club member Agha Hasan] Abedi. We had connections with him and some of his people and he was willing to help us fund the anti-Russian rebels in Afghanistan but off the books. Critchfield had a hand in all of this gun business as you know. These people were a farce, setting up all kinds of off shore banks and basically, it was nothing but a Ponzi scheme but one that we got into and were able to shut up a number of trouble makers along the way. And the Abedi people had connections with the Paki ISI… the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence. A Limey set it up at the time the Pakis broke off from India in the late '40s. They basically were the power behind the throne in Pakistan…ran everything, took huge bribes from us on one hand and the Russians on the other. Typical bunch of worthless raghead scum. Never turn you back on any of them, ever, Gregory, or you get a knife in it.
"My, what a game that turned out to be. We had such a stake in all of that mess that we had to make sure it was kept quiet, at least until we managed to get Iva: Called out of Afghanistan. Oh yes, there were complaints because the BCCI people were not only outright frauds, but very obvious to the legitimate bankers here. Oh, a nice conversation there and someone falling off a cliff there, but these greedy crooks just got too much hubris and finally it began to unravel. You must have read about this. F. Lee Bailey was a front for them and God knows how many thoroughly rotten Congressmen, regulatory people and so on were on the take. I mean there was so much bribe money flowing out of those people you couldn't wonder how high it went. They dragged old Clark Clifford into it and others. Of course Clark has a great opinion of himself and had no problem taking money for his services.
"My God, Gregory, billions of dollars in taxpayers funds lining pockets from here to Karachi. ... [Critchfield] among others…but not me. Jim made so much money from the rag heads that I'm surprised he didn't buy the Capitol as a barn for his stupid horses. ... Small potatoes. The roster of the anointed reads like the Washington social calendar. Senator this and Director that. ...
"When we decided to enter the lists there [in Afghanistan] in '79, we were well aware of the make up of the country. Utter, backward savages but very, very effective guerrilla warriors. We felt at the time that if we could lock the Soviets in to a drawn out war, they would lose it, take terrible personnel losses and hemorrhage money the way we did in 'Nam. It worked like a charm. We got the Saudis in this with us and they did a wonderful job. They trained the locals, armed them with weapons we sent them and did everything they could to help us field a good response to Ivan. ... We did our best and we won, we won there and they lost. We avenged 'Nam if you want to look at it that way. ... Yes, [the torture of captured Russians by Afghans,] one of the more enjoyable aspects of the whole business. A dead Russian whose head is being used as a soccer ball can't fight us, can he? ...
"Do you know who founded that organization of cut throats and killers [the Taliban]? We did so they could make trouble for the Soviets. And we trained them and armed them, Gregory, which was a terrible mistake. That was a first class mess there. Yes, they went after Ivan and then took our weapons and training methodology and took over the country. A nest of vipers. Don't rub it in. There will be serious trouble there, mark my words. Oh God, I am so happy I'm retired. ... I ask you another question. Where do all the drugs in the States come from?...
"Come now, Gregory, let's be accurate [regarding "Pakistani opium"]. [Opium] comes from Afghanistan and only is repackaged in Pakistan. Accuracy. [When it is] refined in Columbia, couldn't you distance it a bit more by calling it Cali cocaine? No, [the Russian-Afghanistan War] wasn't [about opium] although it might appear so. The Russians aren't into drugs, but we are. It was face saving with them plus they didn't want us butting in on their borders. ... [Semi-serious answer at another point:] Well, [the Russians also needed] something to do, but also because of the opium down there. Outside of our dear friends the Turks, Afghanistan is the world's largest grower of opium. Immense money to be made there, my boy. ...
"The Saudis do hate us, quietly, but they own the Afghans and their people run them there. Most of the leaders of the so-called activist movements in Afghanistan are Saudis. Of course, to a stupid American, all Arabs look the same. Agreed they dislike the infidels in the west but they sell their oil for American dollars, don't they?"
"No, [FBI chief Edgar] Hoover was a vicious man. We, on the other hand, use the same methodology but we are far smoother in applying it. We have a strong influence, for want of a better term, with the banking industry. We have the strongest and most effective influence with the print and television media. We have a much stronger hold on the Hill than Hoover ever had. At times, we've had iron control over the Oval Office. Hell, the NSA snoops domestically and we get it all. We have a strong in with the telephone people and we don't need warrants to listen to anybody, domestically, we want, when we want. ...
"You don't have to be from the [CIA's] technical people to know the answer to that one. It's not so much that you are being snooped on but that you can be observed by almost anyone at any time. We listened in on people and opened mail. That's the reason why Jim [Angleton] was sacked, but that was only an excuse. He was getting crazy. But as far as the telephone is concerned, yes, you could be listened to at any time. It's not a bug on your phone so much as full and complete cooperation by the telephone people with various agencies. We did it, the FBI and the NSA do it and probably others as well. Your mail can be opened, addresses copied and so on. For instance, if you have a private Swiss bank account, we have the postal people copy down and forward to us the cover of any letter sent by a Swiss bank to an American addressee. We don't have to open the letter to know it's a monthly bank statement. And then we know where your account is. And the NSA listen in on each and every phone call overseas. You see, they tap into the communications satellites. Of course there are huge numbers of calls every day so their computers are set to pick out certain words. Like Abu Nidal for instance. Once a key word comes up, the conversation is taped and listened to later. ...
"Oliver [North] moved at a more exalted level than I did. Oliver worked for the White House. Oliver worked for George Bush, who was once our DCI, and he worked for Ronnie Reagan. We'd be all day on the phone if I told you what I knew. The public has no idea what that Contra business was all about. It was only a spin-off of the real businesses. The press does not know and if it did, would never dare to print any of it. They feed the public some dog and pony show, speculate for days and then discover a cat up a tree and all run down the block with their notebooks and cameras for more stimulating information for the trailer park crowd. ...
"The public was led to believe the Ollie was some kind of a loose cannon or a nut case but he actually was doing what the President ordered. North was on the staff of the National Security Council which was run by our beloved George Bush who was Vice President at the time and ran the entire operation, contras, drug dealings and gun smugglings and a few removals of inconvenient people along the way. This was all part of a very interesting and little-known system. ...
"The entire Contra mess had two fathers. The first was the Doomsday project. This was a governmental continuation survival program in the event of some great natural disaster, military or terrorist attacks on the United States, public uprisings and so on. That was first began in '81 with a series of signed orders by Reagan setting up the machinery to preserve the government in the event of these disruptive problems. This entire program was rather secret and was under the control of the vice president. … Reagan set up a virtual concentration camp system and special Army units so that if he had any problems domestically like Johnson had during the Vietnam war, they could sweep up all the protestors, their mothers and wives, and jam them all into the new Dachaus. ...
"Yes, under [George Bush]. Like all bureaucracies, this grew. The nutty [General] Poindexter got into the act [during the Iran-Contra days] and wanted to set up something your friend Mueller would have loved: a comprehensive national total surveillance system that would keep track of every person living in the United States, regardless of how harmless they might be. They could use your television set to spy on you, gather phone records from companies they either bribed or threatened, read and watch your mail, create a national ID card, closely supervise passports, watch who flew around the country and where they were going, get into your safe deposit box and watch your checking and savings accounts, listen in on all, and I mean all, overseas telephone calls by controlling the communications satellites. The NSA was given this task I recall. I think it was called Operation Harvest at the time. Oh my and many, many more little new departments to watch the general population. This was being set up during the Reagan years, but Clinton cut back on most of it. Still, it's still there, waiting for another president to use it as an excuse to grab permanent power.
"In the old days, we used the threat of a Soviet attack and invasion to terrify the public and now the enemies are not so well defined. It's rather funny when you read about the growing drug menace because elements of our government are involved even as I speak in assisting in the importation of many tons of marijuana and opium derivatives. Oh yes, Gregory, our government, not the mob or the Columbian drug cartels, are the real drug dealers. We started with Colby and a few others and like Topsy, it just grew. I'm afraid we don't run it but it now runs us. Yes, and Ollie was a part of the whole. Then Congress managed to screw things up by passing the second Boland Amendment in '84. Reagan was using us to supply the Contras in Nicaragua with guns and other small things so they could overthrow what we like to call the dangerous Communist, pro-Soviet government there. The stupid shits on the hill put a stop to this so Reagan got George to bypass Congress. Getting the guns was a problem and Ollie turned out to be very competent."
Also earlier, but a small part came out in the aftermath of Iran Contra. Alexander Schalck-Golodkowski was of the head of Stasi's Kommerzielle Koordinierung (KoKo) 1966-1986. KoKo oversaw the gun and drug running business IMES, linked to Iran Contra, the Iran-Iraq War, and other affairs.
"Yes, you know about this [the East German connection to Iran Contra]. It was [East German company] IMES that controlled this and it was a huge, official but sub-rosa smuggling racket. Of course even though we were supposed to be enemies of the communist Stasi [East German intelligence agency], we actually worked well with them. Your friend [James] Atwood was one of our top people there. We had a fellow with the strange name of [General Alexander] Schalck-Golodkowski [of the Stasi] working with us [oversaw the Stasi's KoKo department, which controlled IMES, 1966-1986]. We used to call him the Fat Man or Big Alex, I suppose because he was way overweight and his first name was Alexander. Very clever choice of names, isn't it? He later fled to the west and we at once gave him a nice job. ...
"I always like to know who can't keep their mouth shut [Atwood]. Now as to the guns for the beaners [Mexicans], this IMES was part and parcel of the international cartel, to use a phrase so beloved by hack writers, which has been going on, with refinements, since about '67 or '68. They had offices in West Germany, Switzerland, Liechtenstein and, I think, Austria. And as things progress, they smuggled narcotics right along with the guns. We were way ahead of them on that score but we all work together in the end, in spite of the press of both countries pissing on each other. Those are the realities, Gregory, not the fronts. You know that, don't you? I would say political necessity makes strange bedfellows. ...
"The Krauts [Germans] were dealing with Iran, Libya and Syria. And the Swedes too were into this. In fact, we had our little troopers in most of the countries that exported drugs, bought guns and so on. The Swedes were using St. Lucia Airways, one of our proprietaries, to run their shipments to various countries. Drugs out and guns in.
"The AK 47s were much in demand. The basic European made pieces were too expensive. My God, yes they did. And some of them got very rich out of it. And there were even some shipments by boat some of which got into customs troubles. There were always problems with this, once it got out of our hands. We always kept things running smoothly but when you're dealing with emotional Arabs who would sell their sisters for ten dollars or the Latin's south of our border, we have utter corruption and emotion and corruption leads to mistakes. Then we have to send people around to clean up the messes. We used to throw people out of high windows but there aren't any tall buildings in Arab countries or south of our borders so the vanishing and dumping at sea in metal drums is always done to the less prominent and un-missed. For more prominent ones, the convenient airplane crash or the heart attack. Mechanics for the one and chemists for the second.
"My God, yes, [the Soviets] did [know]. And some of them got very rich out of it. And there were even some shipments by boat some of which got into customs troubles. There were always problems with this, once it got out of our hands. We always kept things running smoothly but when you're dealing with emotional Arabs who would sell their sisters for ten dollars or the Latins south of our border, we have utter corruption and emotion and [that] leads to mistakes. Then we have to send people around to clean up the messes. We used to throw people out of high windows but there aren't any tall buildings in Arab countries or south of our borders so the vanishing and dumping at sea in metal drums is always done to the less prominent and un-missed. For more prominent ones, the convenient airplane crash or the heart attack. Mechanics for the one and chemists for the second. ...
"You know, we and the Russians were supposed to be deadly enemies then but in our game, there really are no enemies, just different shades of gray. ... Of course there were plans to instigate a war between the Soviet Union and China but it proved to be too complicated and was dropped. ... [Also:] We could never get to Mao but at one time, the Russians and we were discussing the how and when of the project. Oh yes, sometimes we do business with the other side. Probably more than you realize. ...
"Yes, indeed [information is going back and forth between the KGB and CIA]. ... Exactly so, Gregory, exactly so [CIA and KGB trying to help each other look good]. I was a specialist on the KGB and I knew a few people from the other side. That's where I got my indication that their people had turned one of ours. A hint but a strong one. And then we went through lists of people, vetted the ones that were likely candidates. ... Booze, Bucks and Broads [the 3Bs, is how the Russians turn people]... Just that, money. Oh, and little special treatments like more baths, a little better food, and things like that. ...
"[The Israelis] are supposed to be our wonderful allies yet they encourage one of theirs to steal our most valuable secrets, all of which they shipped to Russia, and then, after he got caught, toss him out of the safety of the Israeli Embassy here right into the waiting arms of the FBI and life in prison. On the other hand, they set up a trust fund for him and made him a honorary member of their Knesset. That sends someone a message, doesn't it? ... This for an American who was stealing important secrets and giving them to what was supposed to be an ally. ... Even now they want us to liberate him. ... Did you hear about what [Caspar] Weinberger did to Pollard? Pollard cut a deal with the government for a lighter sentence but Weinberger hated him and got Wolf Blitzer to have an interview with Pollard [for the Jerusalem Post] and trick him into breaking his agreement [note: broke his plea agreement and was given a life sentence as a result]. Pollard got life for being stupid. ...
"Of course, what was the worst aspect of this Pollard business is that the little traitor passed an enormous amount of very, very sensitive information to Israel, among which were reams of top level coded material. We found out later that all of this was sent to Russia, to the KGB and the GRU within hours of it getting to Tel Aviv. Some of the refuseniks that went to Israel were Soviet plants and they took with them enough information to convince the Israelis that they would be good agents. That's the terrible thing about the Pollard matter, Gregory. It cost us millions upon millions to rework our codes, but that only covered on-going matters. My God, the Soviets were reading all our top level messages. The damage that little shit caused is not to believe. [Caspar] Weinberger wanted to shoot him out of hand but that never happened. Pollard will never get out of prison alive. Did you know that the Israelis made him an honorary member of their Knesset and deposited large sums of money into a bank account they opened for him there?
"They have been bombarding Clinton to pardon him but that will never happen, even if his wife is Jewish. I don't much care for Clinton but he is certainly a smart man. He moves with the tides, Gregory, and if he dared to pardon Pollard, there would be serious problems for him. It's been said that if this looked like it might go through, the BoP people would have one of their convicts stick a knife into him while he was taking the air in the prison yard. I think he should be found hanging in his cell some morning and then we can pickle him, put him in a box and ship him off to Israel, collect. ..."
I appears Crowley was out of the loop on the Clinton deaths. His words most likely were conclusions he reached after doing some reading and what he heard on the grapevine from former colleagues.
"Bill [Clinton] was more than friendly with us when he was in Little Rock and we do take care of our friends, as perhaps you might have gathered. ... Turned a very blind eye to our importation of drugs into the remoter parts of Arkansas. Yes, the completely improvable Mena connection. ...
"Our people had connections with Bill when he was the governor there. Used to bring drugs in from Mexico and land them downstate. Arkansas is about as backwards as Kenya these days and Bill had no problem sticking a bag full of cash in his sock drawer. Oh, well, if it weren't for the crooked politicians, none of us could make an honest buck. ...
"Do you think they shot that [Vince] Foster man? ... Bill [Clinton] is utterly ruthless and his shrew of a wife is one step behind him. They would have ordered it, for certain, but one does not know. ... You know that where there's smoke, there's bound to be fire. I would agree that Bill's enemies seem to have remarkably short lives. ... No, Clinton washes his hands in many waters, as they say, and it's his friends, I think, that take care of business for him. ...
[1,5 years later the conversation goes back to Foster, as well as Ron Brown, in which Crowley states they were murdered. However, he may well have been talking metaphorically to make the point that the CIA kills people. He certainly was not involved himself anymore.]
"The PR people can move mountains. [Howard] Paster, who not only worked for H&K [Hill & Knowlton] but also the Clintons, worked with Bill's people to neutralize the Lewinski scandal which was really not political but religious in nature. The right wing Christians, who are as crazy as shit house owls, wanted Clinton's scalp so they could put one of their own pro-Jesus nuts in the White House. Ken Starr is as strange as they come and I am ashamed to admit he's a lawyer from my home town. Stands in his yard and screams for Jesus to listen to him. The neighbors made such as fuss about these nocturnal shouting sessions, they called the police. ... Ken was warned that if he kept his yowling up at night, or even in the daytime, it was off to St. Elizabeth's funny farm in an ambulance."
See ISGP's death list for details.
See ISGP's death list for details.
Although the information is very accurate, the given date of the conversation, March 4, 1997, is incorrect. Absolutely nothing in the information fits this time period.
Yeltsin and the oligarchs were still firmly in power in March 1997, so it makes no sense to talk about Yeltsin and the oligarchs in the past tense, as a system that is being overtaken.
March 4, 1997 was still three weeks before Putin was elected deputy chief of Yeltsin's presidential staff. Putin came to Moscow in June 1996 with help of Zionist oligarch Badri Patarkatsishvili, Boris Berezovsky's business partner, to become deputy chief of the Presidential Property Management Department under Pavel Borodin. Putin was still very loyal to Badri and Boris in this period.
However, if we look at the period between 9 and 19 August 1999, the transcript fits perfectly, and probably dates to August 17 to August 19:
July 1998 - March 1999: Putin is KGB/FSB chief.
August 9, 1999: Putin is unexpectedly appointed prime minister of Russia by Yeltsin. The reason? He appears very loyal, knows all the secrets, and is expected to become the next Russian president in order to acquit Yeltsin and the oligarchs of any past wrongdoing. Until this point Putin was a very unknown character.
August 16, 1999: Putin approved as prime minister by the Duma.
August 18, 1999: Rumors of financial misconduct are spreading. Two ranking Bank of New York employees are suspended.
August 19, 1999: A first New York Times article (by Raymond Bonner) on the Bank of New York money laundering scandal is published, followed a week later by an international explosion of the scandal. BONY is partnered with the Swiss-based Inter Maritime Bank of CIA and Mossad asset Bruce Rappaport. Laundering of IMF funds through this bank began in 1998.
August 26, 1999: Invasion of Dagestan by Chechen Islamic brigades. Soon suspicions arise that Putin and Berezovsky have bribed old GRU asset Shamil Basayev and a few other warlords to invade Dagestan. This event is not mentioned in the Crowley transcripts.
September 2, 1999, STRATFOR in Asia Times, 'Scandals herald a purge of Yeltsin's allies': "According to Russian and U.S. intelligence sources and analysts cited by UPI, the Bank of New York money laundering allegations were leaked to Western law enforcement officials by disgruntled elements in the Russian security services, eager to embarrass and undermine Yeltsin. ... This is a full-scale assault on Yeltsin's ruling political and economic cabal by elements of Russia's security apparatus, which could quickly lead to Yeltsin's replacement by Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. If the purge gets out of hand, will Putin and his backers fall victim to a still more reactionary force?" First expert article I've come across that clearly points to Putin as the KGB man out to take down Yeltsin and the oligarchs. In order to put pressure on this group his KGB has begun to leak the IMF money laundering documents, which involves numerous key Zionists: Berezovsky, Solntsevskaya leader Semion Mogilevich and Bruce Rappaport, to name ony a few.
September 4, 1999. Beginning of the Russian Apartment Bombings, a very prominent event the Crowley transcripts never talk about. The bombing result in widespread support for the Second Chechen War.
The conversation had to have taken place before the August 19, 1999 publication of the New York Times and most likely after the appointment of Putin as prime minister of Russia on August 9. If the transcript is accurate, Crowley was among those who heard about the leaked KGB/FSB documents from Putin just before they were published. The raging anti-Semite that he is, he believed that the New York Times and Washington Post wouldn't publish the material. He was wrong in that respect.
Update: With some hesitation, Douglas/Storch admitted that he has been messing around with dates, but he and Joe Trento are such bizarre creatures that there's no telling who supplied or created this particular "Crowley" text, when, or for what reason.
"Planet is getting very small these days. Too many people need more products and whoever has the natural resources, at least as long as they hold out, has the upper hand. Now, thanks to us, we have the upper hand. We damned near got all the Russian oil and gas under Yeltsin, but you can't win them all. ...
"The idea is to smash [the Russians] so badly, they can never be a rival again. ... But in a way, I feel sorry for Russia. That was quite a game after Yeltsin got in, let me tell you. Old Boris the drunk was ours, bought and paid for. The drill was for Boris to privatize the Russian natural resources and let our people, our oil people really, get their hands on everything. How did we do it? We located a bunch of street thugs. Drug dealers, whoremongers, porn merchants and especially extortionists, set them up as businessmen, get them funded, let them buy up all the oil, steel and aluminum former Soviet corporations and then sell the stock off to our companies. The thing is, all of these thugs and murderers, because that's what they are, are Jewish street bandits, all of them. And they got their co-religionists in the IMF and the World Bank to help them with capital both from us and from Israel. And they did buy up everything at rigged auctions and they did make deals with the big US oil people. You fancy yourself a newspaperman, Gregory? I'll give you an inside story, but I beg you not to use me as a source...
"An Israeli [Bruce Rappaport, a Mossad asset and once a close friend of CIA director William Casey] owns the Bank of New York and they are using it to launder billions in stolen Jewish Mafia money. I mean money from Russia. Billions. And our people have been helping the Hebes set up Swiss bank accounts. Before that, they used to keep the money under the bed in bags, but now they can buy expensive suits, that the tasteless shits wear with tennis shoes, and strut their stuff in international society. I can give you some inside information on this and you could expose some of it. It needs to be done, but you'll never see a word of it in the New York Times or the Post. ...
"And if you have friends in Switzerland, be sure to look for the black accounts, not the white ones. These greaseballs always have a white account with a few thousand in it and a black one with billions. That way, if an official request is made, say be us, the Swiss can put up a show of resistance and then break down and give us the smaller one. The black accounts.
"That moron Bronfman, the booze king, has delusions of grandeur, and thinks he is going to push the Swiss around, so you can kick him in his flabby ass for me. My God, I hate to deal with these swine, believe me. The biggest pack of thieves, murderers and back stabbers I have ever run into and believe me, I have seen them all. And there're a lot more bits and pieces I can pull together for you but again, mention none of this to Kimmel and if he ever starts to talk about this, say nothing. Understood? ...
"Hopefully, enough publicity [will] slow them down in this country. They own the press and the banks and dig in like maggots in a side of beef, so if the public gets wind of the enormity of their thefts, they can watch them. Ah, but in Russia, the Putin people will love you. Putin, as I understand it, wants to stop this drain on Russian oil and kick the Jews out of power. And, of course, like a good KGB officer that he is, kick the US in the nuts. But, I think uprooting the Hebrews and outing them outweighs a boot in the testes...
"Oh, yes, [my people] achieved their initial goal [in taking over Russia]. But then the Jews got too greedy and too public with their wealth and I think now, Putin will pull them all down, one by one. And I also think there will eventually be serious problems with America's banking system. It's totally corrupt, Gregory, and, like the oil barons of Russia, getting too arrogant. ...
"The regular Russians loathe and fear [the Jews, especially the oligarchs] and now that Putin is coming up, they are fleeing to Israel like fleas leaving a dead dog. The problem with this, as we know, is that the ranks of Israeli intelligence are now full of fresh blood with the refuseniks pouring into the country and believe me, Gregory, any scrap of secret information, every secret code, that we mistakenly give to the Israeli government will end up in Moscow about ten seconds after they get it. Multiply Pollard about a hundred times and you'll see the real picture."
The date for this conversation is listed as February 16, 1997. This is also incorrect. The NASDAQ was at 1400 points at the time and even going down a little. The IT bubble didn't really began to dawn on people until late 1998 when the NASDAQ hit the 2000. It grew steeper over 1999 and completely exploded in late 1999, peaking at 5000 in December, followed by a first major crash just weeks later.
"The Republicans, and I used to be the man for connections with really big business, don't forget, have two goals and two only. They want to establish an ideological police state that is anti-black, anti-Mexican, anti-intellectual and in this category, anti-Jew. Once they have this, their next goal would be to allow unfettered capitalism to rage unchecked throughout the land so that they and their friends can get rich quick on crooked businesses like the huge fraud now going on in the electronics stock. It goes up, Gregory, because it's rigged and I just know it will go higher and higher.
"How it works is this way: The stock fraud people grab some engineering student from MIT, set him up in an nice office in San Francisco and then incorporate him with some fancy, arty name. Next step is to get the stock listed on the New York board. After that, a ring of very reputable stock brokers call up their friends with an offering. They tell them they are going to buy a certain stock at ten dollars for them and then sell it when it gets to, let's say, twenty. The client goes along with this and when this is repeated across the country, the stock shoots up. The original investors get double their money back, minus brokerage fees, and then the brokers do it again, and again. This forces almost all technology stock up into the heavens. Maybe some of the initial investors gripe when they see stock they bought at ten and sold at twenty up at two hundred but when all of will come crashing down, they are satisfied that they have a safe return."
"I think the day of the printed paper or magazine is dying. We still have our hand in on that game. We moved to television, but that is also losing out so we are moving into the internet. But don't ask me about that because I know nothing about it. We view the internet as very dangerous because we can't begin to control it. Set up a few people with money and push them. Hope for the best, you know, but doubtful. ...
"Now that the internet is in full bloom, trust it, Gregory, that we will establish our own form of control over that. It's an invisible control and we never, ever talk about it and anyone who gets really close to the truth gets one in the back of the head from a doped-up burglar. ..."
"Allen [Dulles] was never too bright. His brother was a dyed-in-the wool Nazi, just like another one of our DCI's fathers: Prescott Bush. ... George [H. W. Bush] was a sly effeminate creature as crooked as a dog's hind leg. When he was VP, they attended a state dinner in the White House and he brought his older boy [George W. Bush] with him. That one was a chronic boozer and during an intermission, he went out and pissed in one of the downstairs halls. I understand Nancy Reagan 86'd him out of the White House. His brother is a con-man, unconvicted of ripping banks off because Daddy put on the pressure. And his wife is like something out of a Norse legend. A real dominatrix-type. You never know what goes on behind the curtains, Gregory, but I do. It's enough to shake anyone's belief in the honesty of our leaders, who hasn't worked inside the Beltway long enough. Bush was only DCI for a year and I never had any use for him. Smiled a lot and as vicious and back-stabbing as anyone I ever knew. But then so many of them are."
"We have to find a new international enemy to scare the shit out of Americans with; an enemy that only the CIA can save us from. ... Without enemies to protect from, we are of no use. Arabs are highly emotional and we can easily push them into attacking us, hopefully outside the country. Then, the well-oiled machinery that we have perfected over the years can start up and off we go on another adventure. ...
"I shall await the demonization of the Arab world. We can send the military into Saudi Arabia on some flimsy pretext, like the demolition of some US Embassy in a very minor state, like Portugal, by positively identified Saudi Arabs and then a new Crusade! Oh, and the precious oil! ...
"The Jews are screaming about the Arabs, who are natural enemies of the Christians. We could dig up historians who will write about the Crusades and Hollywood people who will make movies about the triumph of Christianity over the Crescent. The Jews are getting too much power these days, but remember that the Arabs have all the big oil and we need it. Yes, no doubt a resurrection of the Crusades will be next. ...
"Israel is friendly with us just as long as we keep the money and the guns coming. But then we have to kiss up to the Arabs as well, because of the oil, so the main thing here is to maintain a careful balance. ...
"Let me tell you, my boy, the whole world would be far better off if some rag head set off an atomic bomb in downtown Tel Aviv during Passover. I know that sounds terrible, but from my years of experience, that game would well be worth the candle. I tell you, if we don't put a stop to their burrowing, treachery and high treason, those filthy Yids will drag us into a nasty war with the Arabs. I mean it. None of them care a fig about this country. Everything for that miserable habitat of warped trolls and nothing for anyone else."