Crop Circle Researchers: Extra Sources

Contents

Intro

This page is an appendix of ISGP articles:

• Cult of National Security Trolls: Art Bell and Coast to Coast AM


• Behind the Crop Circle Mystery: Researchers, Skeptics and Hoaxers Secretly Cooperating?

For those interested in genuine information concerning UFO-related subjects, I can only recommend ISGP's UFO newspaper archive. The only thing people are going to get outside of this archive is complete and utter BS - and this includes the crop circle phenomenon.

Colin Andrews

Appearances on Coast to Coast AM: October 20, 2000; September 10, 2001; August 9, 2002; August 9, 2002; December 22, 2005; December 12, 2011; July 5, 2014 (rebroadcast)

• Laurance Rockefeller financed in the late 1990s. Thus a climate change and new age fundamentalist:
  • colinandrews.net/Climate_Change.html: posts alarming news items regarding global warming here.
  • colinandrews.net/Japan-NuclearAlertUpdates-2012-Debate-Colin-Andrews.html: "'The Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it." Those who have been aware of my work since the 80s will know that I have often referred to the time approaching as 'Ten Seconds To Midnight' and this moment as 'The Cross Roads'. Indeed when I was asked to speak at the United Nations along side Hopi Elders in the 90s, this was the epicenter of the message. Last month I posted a reminder on the New Postings dated February 3, 2011. I would just like to add as we leave the old period of egos and positional jockeying that IT IS OF NO IMPORTANCE WHO THE MESSENGERS ARE - ITS THE MESSAGE THAT MATTERS. May I also strongly recommended you read Synthia and my book The Complete Idiots Guide to 2012. Now is the time of greatest value. From the Hopi Elders: HOPI MESSAGE: THIS IS THE HOUR Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:46 "A Message from the Hopi Elders" "You have been telling the people that this is the Eleventh Hour. Now you must go back and tell the people that this is The Hour. Here are the things that must be considered: Where are you living? What are you doing? What are your relationships? Are you in right relation? Where is your water? Know our garden. It is time to speak your Truth. Create your community. Be good to each other."
  • Colin Andrews biography at Colinandrews.net: "His most recent books include The Complete Idiots Guide to 2012 and The Complete Idiots Guide to the Akashic Record written with his wife, Dr. Synthia Andrews. ... Without prior knowledge of why he had been invited to Longleat Adventure Park in England, he was lead to the center (red arrow) of the worlds longest maze which is one and three quarters mile long, handed his copper dowsing rods and asked to dowse his way to the exit (yellow arrow). Without a single error his rods took him directly via many twists and turns to the exit. With just one bend to go, he was told he was in the wrong place to test his confidence which he ignored and continued directly as the rods lead him to the exit. Colin worked with elders in the Australian outback and impressed them with his ability to confirm traditional routes taken by the Aborigine peoples hundreds of years ago. He has also successfully dowsed human involvement in crop circles. ... May 2009 his book Government Circles was published by Archive Publishing. Undeniable Evidence- 1990, the first crop circle video ever produced, which showed stunning aerial footage of the phenomenon, and links the mystery to eco-political changes. ... EBE Film Award 1995 - Reg Presley, Colin Andrews and Busty Taylor... Colin and Synthia have been invited to work with The World Genesis Foundation in corporation with The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization - To Support UNESCO Youth Project in Romania. ... Synthia his wife, has just completed writing another book which she and many others, including Colin are very excited about. Called The Path of Energy encompasses much of her life's work and has arrived at a unique time in history when science is now able to relate and support it. The book will be published in June 2011 and has received powerful endorsements by well known and highly respected pioneers such as Astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell [Coast to Coast AM], Dr. James Hurtak [Coast to Coast AM], Dr. Desiree Hurtak [Coast to Coast AM], Gregg Braden [Coast to Coast AM] and Dannion Brinkley [Coast to Coast AM]. The forward is written by Barbara Marciniak. His latest project is the new book 'On the Edge of Reality', co-authored with Synthia and to be published by New Page Books in August 2013. He considers this to be the most important project he has ever undertaken in his research career."
  • July 1993, Crop Watcher, issue 18, Paul Fuller: "Colin Andrews... is flying out of America on Tuesday (25th May) and will spend 28th August in Hampshire and Wiltshire, UK, with the largest gathering of international scientists yet... He will fly to make presentations in a number of countries during the period, including Malta [now guess who he's going to meet there! PF [Georges de Trafford], Ireland, Iceland and the USA. ... Very secret projects involving well known mediums will also be undertaken and has [sic !] been planned by Scientists who discovered unusual markings and geometry on Mars [!!!]. These findings were presented to the United Nations in New York during summer 1992, by Dick Hoagland - NASA consultant. Colin can update you further when he arrives in the UK. ... Colin andrews' address to the United Nations, which has been officially announced for 21st October 1993 at UN headquarters in New York. ... Mohammad Ramadan, president of the parapsychological group at the United Nations who recently sponsored Richard Hoagland's presentation to the U.N. on the Mission to Mars, met Colin Andrews at the United Nations building in New York several months ago. At the meeting, Mr Ramadan set Colin almost the impossible challenge of discovering the meaning behind the crop circles and ancient writings, the findings of which to be presented at the U.N. in October. ... Unusual patterns, assumed as writings (i.e. languages) have appeared in fields in the form of crop markings and have been scratched on metallic surfaces following alleged abduction cases [and at Roswell]. These etchings resemble markings on Sumerian Tablets and petroglyphs on stone and rocks in several parts of the world. "
• Has explained in detail how he was targeted by the CIA for recruitment in the late 1980s. The idea was to have him continue his affairs as usual, but at one point he would be given maximum media attention, at which point he was supposed to admit that there was nothing to the crop circle phenomenon. Colin claims he refused. Strangely, when Doug and Dave were given huge exposes on how they supposedly faked all circles in Great Britain since 1978, Pat Delgado went along with them, admitting he had been fooled, how Doug and Dave somehow helped to bring thousands of people together, and, bizarrely, if they couldn't continue a little while longer. It was a total comedy show. Colin Andrews, more or less as Delgado's assistant kept surprisingly quiet, not really agreeing with Delgado but also not really going in against Doug and Dave with solid arguments. This all changed days after thenmain expose, when Delgado and Andrews reverted back to their old believing selves. Is there a link? Good question.
• Claims he became involved in crop circle research in Wiltshire, South England, in 1983. Not really. As he explained way in the beginning, he first got involved in July 1985 and met up with Terence Meaden and Pat Delgado in mid 1986, after attending a (Ministry of Defense-linked) British UFO Association (BUFORA) meeting. Soon Pat Delgado and Andrews, respectively in 1986 and 1987, joined the scammy Flying Saucer Review of MI6/Foreign Service officer Gordon Creighton.
  • September 30, 1996, New Haven New Earth, 'A NHNE Special Interview: Crop Circles: Colin Andrews & Joyce Murphy' (Andrews claim of starting out in 1983 is universal; this is just one random source): "I became involved after spotting five circles in the form of a cross in a field near Winchester, Hampshire, England in July 1983. ... I formed the CPR INTERNATIONAL organization in 1983."
  • November 1987, Colin Andrews in his first article for Flying Saucer Review, 'Circles in the Corn: Strong Evidence of a "UFO Connection"': "My own interest in these matters had started a year before, on the night of Saturday, July 6, 1985... A few hours [after the UFO], just over the hill towards the north-west, a five-ring set of circles was found..."
• In reference to claims made by Jim Schnabel about de Trafford. 2009, Colin Andrews, 'Government Circles', pp. 84, 108: "February 21, 1989: Letter to Nicolas Ridley, M.P., Secretary of State for the Environment from George de Trafford: "... I have recently spent a few days with Mr. Andrews and have demonstrated to him the depth of our knowledge and comprehension of these [crop circles]."
• Claimed divine intervention was responsible for him figuring out the "Wessex Triangle" of crop circle activity in 1986, despite the fact that Pat Delgado had already described this exact same Warminster-Winchester-Wantage triangle in a 1983 Flying Saucer Review article.
  • November 1983, Vol. 29, No. 1, Pat Delgado for Flying Saucer Magazine, 'Mystery Rings Again at Cheesefoot Head, 1983': "Further rings of identical pattern have appeared at Westbury in Wilshire, and at Wantage in Oxfordshire. It is interesting to note that these three locations form an equilateral triangle on the map. (Is it purley coincidental that all three place-names, Winchester, Westbury, and Wantage, commence with a "W"?)"
  • 2003, Colin Andrews, 'Crop Circles: Signs of Contact', pp. 42-44: "[Picture:] Colin Andrews in the office where he discovered the Wessex Triangle crop circle alignment. [Andrews:] During one field trip to a crop circle in Wantage, England on September 4, 1986, I took a soil sample from inside the formation, and then left the area precisely at 4:15 p.m. ... [Subsequently] intruder alarm activations began to occur at my home at precisely 4:15 in the morning. ... ... Then it hit me. In a moment of insight ... I realized that the locations of the crop formations ... formed a perfect equilateral triangle. The three points of the triangle were Wantage ... Winchester ... and Warminster... The 4:15 alarm activations ceased that very day. Experiencing this revelation reached deep inside me, and moved me almost beyond words."
• According to Jim Schnabel, Andrews used to think he had an implant in his brain. Worse, Delgado is said to have been possessed by an entity called "Zirkka", which his wife was seemingly okay with. Also according Schnabel, the leadership of the Centre for Crop Circle Studies (CCCS) were a bunch of crazy new agers and black magic occultists linked to the satanic cult Friends of Hekate, most notably founding chairman Michael Green and magazine editor John Michell.
• Andrews and Delgado appear to have cooperated with circle fakers Doug Bower and Dave Chorley throughout the 1980s. In 1991 Doug and Dave discredited the subject in a massive way. Especially Delgado helped this along in the following manner:
  • Andrews and the more important Pat Delgado were labeling every hoax circle of Doug Bower and Dave Chorley as "genuine" even when clearly imperial units were used and footprints could be seen, as researcher Matthew J. Lawrence and a few others noticed. Delgado was the one who brought national attention to a design of Doug and Dave in 1981 at Cheesefoot Head.
  • September 9, 1991, Today, 'Men who conned the world: Exposed: Two artists admit they pulled off the great corn circles hoax for 13 years' (Pat Delgado quote when inspecting a circle made by Doug and Dave): "In no way could this be a hoax. This is without doubt the most wonderful moment of my research. ... What we are dealing with here nobody in the world understands. We are left with the fact that these crops are laid down in these sensational patterns by an energy that remains unexplained and is laid down by a high level of intelligence."
  • Ibid. (Pat Delgado quotes when first confronted with Doug and Dave that they have been hoaxing 200 circles since 1978, many of which were pronounced genuine by Delgado; Andrews didn't say much): "My reaction is one of wonderment at the artistry that [Doug and Dave] have done in such a manner that their work could be considered as something out of this world. They are to be admired in the way they have conducted their nocturnal escapades which made it look as though there was a real intelligence that we don't understand. From this simple prank has developed one of the world's most sensational unifying situations since Biblical days. If everything they say is correct this is a lesson to us all that we should look and listen to the beautiful and small things in life. ... There's no doubt your test proves they are hoaxes. I thought it was a genuine corn circle. ... What does make me upset is the thousands of people whose lives are going to be shattered because of this, if everything you say is true. I'll look a fool. ... I admire your courage for coming forward. I find this quite hilarious really. It's quite a relief it is all over. ... You've done so much good in this world, you have brought millions of people together over this. Thousands have changed their lives. You're going to upset an awful lot of lives by blowing this now. Couldn't you just tail it off with a couple more next year?"
• He and Delgado were consultants to Flying Saucer Review before they published their 1989 best-seller. FSR was ran by foreign service/MI6 officer Gordon Creighton and has featured heaps of disinformation since its founding in 1955.
• First met Steven Greer in 1991. The two became good friends and seemingly aided Greer in his CSETI UFO hoaxes within the United Bureau of Investigation in mid-1992 in Wiltshire.
  • September 1994, #33, Marcus Allen for The Sussex Circular, 'Behind the hoaxers -- physicists, scientists, stompers and the secret history of circle faking': "It is a regrettable fact that some intelligent and literate people, amongst whom [Jim] Schnabel can be numbered, must continually leave hints as to how clever they are. Hints which can usually only be picked up by those 'in the know'. So, for his article in 'Fortean Times' No.69 (June/July 93) as part of their 'Hoax!' series, the names all the main supposed crop circle hoaxing groups with, amongst other details, their 'alleged conspiratorial affiliations'. Seven groups are listed and four of them have "affiliations" to be expected from he snide style of Schnabel's presentation: 1) Doug and Dave - Today newspaper, MBF Service (MI5) ... 4) UBI (United Bureau of Investigation) - CCCS [new age, like the other two; united most known researchers: Lucy Pringle, George Wingfield, Paul Vigay], [Colin Andrews'] CPR, [Steven Greer's] CSETI. [Schnabel then names himself and friend Rob Irving, both of Circlemakers.org] "
    • JULY 1992 CSETI EVENT, DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES: circlemakers.org/ever2.html: "CSETI leader Steven Greer actually communicated with [a ball of light] in 1992, coincidentally the same night that [Rob] Irving and Jim Schnabel [of Circlemakers] were flying an illuminated helium balloon."
    • August 1998, Dennis Stacy for Magonia, 'Like Ball Lightning: A Memory of Ralph Noyes': "Sunday evening [July 19, 1992] found us back in the Swindon and Alton Barnes area. Monday it mostly rained. Tuesday, Steven Greer and crew arrived. The following night [July 22, 1992] we trooped up to the top of Woodborough Hill to see what Greer's group, CSETI – Center for the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelliegence – was all about. Best I could tell CSETI was much ado about nothing. There was some sitting in circles and meditating, and some shining of powerful flashlights (half-million to a million candle-power only please) skyward, and about that much candlepower of wishful thinking, from what I could determine. ... Certainly the expectation of contact was imminent. In the darkness, Noyes and I found ourselves in a circle of five or six sitters, mostly female, who oohed and oohed in unison each time a ghostly disc-shaped light routinely swept into view. Our pointing out that said disc was a military searchlight regularly illuminating the broken cloud cover over head was not well received (let alone believed). But not to worry, the following evening Greer and his group achieved 'contact', albeit with what I suspect was a balloon launched by Robert Irving and others, although I could never prove it in court. On the other hand, Greer could never prove his case in court, either. ... I can't even say the experience was instrumental in Noyes's own decision, shortly thereafter, to resign as Hon. Secretary of the CCCS. Maybe the confessions of Doug and Dave were equally to blame. Point is, just as we could see the searchlight beam on the clouds that night, we could also see the handwriting on the wall. Whatever the circles were first touted as being, it was becoming increasingly evident that what the supposed supernatural circlemakers could do, so could our equally inventive fellow humans."
    • ANDREWS AND GREER DISAGREED: colinandrews.net/Greer-Event.html: "In the Greer event we stood on the top of a hill overlooking crop circles in a field at Alton Barnes, England during July 1992. Dr. Greer and I had assembled a group of about 50 people who were following Greer's protocols that, according to his personal experience, enhance the possibility of direct UFO interaction. It was a cloudy night, and I thought there was little chance of seeing anything. But after we stood there for a while, suddenly out of nowhere, I saw a small but quite bright, fuzzy, white light darting towards us at speed. As it reached overhead it split into two, one piece moving over us to the left, and the other to the right. The light appeared to be traveling inside the lower edge of the clouds and was diffuse. Everyone present saw and described this the same way, BUT significantly about 25 of us saw it as white and the other 25 saw it as bright red."
    • new.cseti.org/members-section/59-art-cseti-history: "July 20-30. Southern England. Alton Barnes region. A CSETI RMIT team joins Colin Andrews' Crop Circle Phenomena Research (CPR) International to study a possible link between UFO activity and the crop circle creations. One of the most significant events in the history of UFOlogy transpires. Using the Contact Trilogy, the two teams visualize and illuminate in the sky an equilateral triangle with circles at each point. The next day such a formation is found within a direct line from the CSETI-CPR research site. During the ten-day period, many anomalous lights are seen. An unusual CE-5 is multiply witnessed by Greer and others on July 27 when a structured craft made a near landing only 400 yards from the team."
• January 27, 2012, World Puja Network radio, Conversations with Dr. Greer radio show: "I met [Colin Andrews] in 1991 and ever since then we have been dear friends and very supportive of each other's work and I've actually been many times out in the crop circles with Colin Andrews in England and he is just one of the real beacons of truth. ... I [always] say: go see what Colin Andrews is doing, because he is the man. The other thing that is exciting about Colin Andrews is that he and his wonderful wife Synthia have come out with a book on 2012."
• January 23, 2009, The Sun, 'Queen fascinated by mystery of crop circles': "[The royals] were gripped by the mystery of crop circles, it was revealed yesterday. Letters seen by The Sun showed the couple asked to be kept informed about the weird farmland patterns. Her Majesty also asked an aide to send a sympathetic letter to Britain's leading expert whose research was under threat. And Philip was so intrigued he had newsletters on the circles - thought by many to be created by extraterrestrial beings - sent to Buckingham Palace. They were published by researcher Colin Andrews, 46, an ex-local government engineer He said yesterday that his book Circular Evidence was placed on a summer reading list prepared for the Queen. He later received a letter from her private secretary. It read: "Her Majesty has taken an interest in the mysterious crop circles for some time and was sad to hear your results of years of research into the question are at risk through lack of funds." Meanwhile, Philip paid Eur6 for an annual subscription to Colin's crop circle round-up. Colin said: "What has infuriated me is that the MoD continues to deny the Royal Family took an interest in the subject when I know for a fact they did." The Royal fascination matched the nation's at the height of the phenomena in the 1980s and 1990s."
• Great opponent of BLT Research, or so it seems. But in his 2003 book full of praise.
• Taught remote viewing by the apocalyptic Ed Dames, a key guest on Coast to Coast AM since the mid-1990s. colinandrews.net/Japan-NuclearAlertUpdates-2012-Debate-Colin-Andrews.html: "Comments by Colin Andrews: Having had experience with Remote Viewing and having spent time with the experts like Dr. Simeon Hein [Coast to Coast AM] and indeed Ed Dames [Coast to Coast AM] himself (see photo below), I have great respect for the subject. After many years with the experience I am always in awe of the material and how it works: VIDEO NOTE: In 2003 and 2004, Major Ed Dames announced on Japanese TV and US radio (Coast to Coast AM) that a massive earthquake would strike Japan and a nuclear reactor would "break", causing what he described to the host (Art Bell) as a "mini Chernobyl" or, at least, the worse nuclear disaster since then. [Transpired in March 2011. Japan is the earthquake and tsunami country in the world and these worries already existed.]"
• Colin Andrews biography at Colinandrews.net: "Remote viewer: Left: Colin Andrews, Antonio Huneeus [Coast to Coast AM] and Edward Dames [Coast to Coast AM; Andrew's remote viewing trainer] in Dusseldorf, Germany where they spoke at an International Conference. ... One of many highly successful results of his remote viewing skills was when he identified a murderer in Washington DC before the police knew who they were looking for. ... When the police finally got their man, Colin's Sketch closely resembled that of the young 17 year old black man, Lee Boyd Malvo. ... Colin has interacted with many of the best known Remote Viewers in the world, and was invited to participate in programs at the famous Monroe Institute in the United States."
• End of the world fanatic: catastrophic global warming, Hopi prophecies, etc.
• Financed by Laurance Rockefeller in the late 1990s.
• May 18, 1999, Western Daily Press, 'Rockefeller's quest to solve crop circle riddle': "Laurance Rockefeller is funding research into the puzzling patterns ... [He] has hired former local government officer Colin Andrews to dig deeper into the riddle. ... Mr Andrews, formerly of Andover but now based in Connecticut, will be flying surveillance flights over Wiltshire next month hoping to record new discoveries. He has compiled the largest database on the subject and advised several governments on his findings. He was asked to present his work at the United Nations headquarters in New York in 1994 when his close friend Reg Presley, lead singer with The Troggs, flew to America to attend. ... Speaking from America yesterday, former Test Valley borough council engineer Mr Andrews said: "He asked me if I would like to submit some research projects to him which he might be able to help finance. "With his help we engaged staff in my Connecticut offices and also flew regular flights in aircraft over Wiltshire and Hampshire last year. ... "Numerous farmers have shown concern over the level of hoaxing. This is a problem but is not only a matter of criminal activity but also something a little deeper. Hoaxers themselves have confidentially stated that strange light phenomena have been experienced around them while they have been making crop circles during the hours of darkness. "Some have even been certain that that within minutes of finishing a crop formation, additions have mysteriously been added before sunrise."
• August 10, 2000, AAP Newsfeed, 'UK: New theory says crop circles caused by magnetic fields': "A researcher funded by American billionaire Laurance Rockefeller -- a man known for his interest in the paranormal -- has presented the new theory that fluctuations in the earth's magnetic fields lead to corn fields being "electrocuted", collapsing in patterns. Former local government engineer Colin Andrews..."

Rosemary Ellen Guiley

Appearance(s) on Coast to Coast AM: Every couple of 2-3 months since 2004. Appeared for several years before this.

• Director of the Association for the Study of Dreams. Honorary fellow of the College of Human Sciences, the professional division of the International Institute of Integral Human Sciences in Montreal, a non-profit organization affiliated with the United Nations. Consulting editor of Fate magazine.
• Has written close to 50 books on paranormal subjects, publishing more than 1 book per year. Made appearances on A&E, The History Channel and The Discovery Channel. Topics include prayer, astronomy, dreams, intuition, angels, demons, "shadow people", Djinn, wicca, haunted places, fairy magic, vampires and werewolves.
• Director Center for North American Crop Circle Studies.
• 2009, Kimberly Snow (trained as a TRV at PSI TECH), 'Circles: The Mystery Revealed' (synopsis): "In June of 1992, PSI TECH was commissioned by the Center for North American Crop Circle Studies to investigate the crop circle phenomenon. The commission was backed by a donation from US billionaire Laurence Rockefeller, grandson of John D. Rockefeller and enthusiast in the field of paranormal anomalies. The goal of CNACCS was to learn how crop circles were formed, and then to test PSI TECH's findings using scientific means in the hopes that they could solve the crop circle enigma. Utilizing five PSI TECH trained professional Technical Remote Viewers, the project took just 15 days. Now, for the very first time ever, PSI TECH opens its archives to the public."
• December 8, 1993, paranet.fidonet.org newsletter, Dan Smith and Rosemary Ellen Guiley, 'The Aquarium Conspiracy': "Rumor has it that we are working for the CIA, and specifically the Aviary, to spread disinformation throughout the crop circle-ufology fields. Lately, we have been named as part of an alleged international disinformation conspiracy in "Schnabelgate," the Jim Schnabel-Robert Irving-George Wingfield- Henry Azadehdel tape circus that hit crop circles last fall. Wingfield, one of England's leading cereologists, suspected Irving and Schnabel of hoaxing circles in order to discredit the phenomenon and its researchers. He enlisted the help of Henry Azadehdel, a.k.a. Armen Victorian, a journalist who specializes in writing exposes in the UFO field. Posing as an African journalist, Azadehdel called first Irving and then Schnabel to ask questions about the "conspiracy." Irving and Schnabel say they knew what game was afoot, and put one over on Azadehdel by embroidering a tall story of a conspiracy involving intelligence agencies in the US, UK and Germany, and the Vatican as well. The conversations were taped, and Wingfield took them as gospel truth. The resulting controversy has damaged cereology and alienated researchers. ... Now about the CIA lunch with George Wingfield. It was organized by Dan as a networking effort, and took place on April 15, 1992 in a restaurant in Arlington, Virginia. Besides ourselves and George, participants included George's wife, Gloria, three employees of the CIA and an outside colleague of theirs. None of us knew in advance what would be discussed. Conversation centered on eschatology, crop circles, and an explanation of the Aviary given to George by "The Pelican." [Ron Pandolfi] There were no requests, no offers. Afterward, George wondered what it was all about. The answers are obvious, but they won't be found in rumors."
• April 29, 2010, Scienceblogs.com, 'Conference Organizers Should Not Live in Caves', comment section, where Jack Sarfatti posts under his own name: "My main interest was Valentini's idea of signal nonlocality, which in Valentini's words, could be used for "espionage" and breaking quantum cryptography security words. I am an informal "senior advisor" to Dr. Ronald Pandolfi, of the Science & Technology Directorate of the CIA and the MASINT [Measurement and Signature Intelligence] program. Indeed, I was Pandolfi's guest at a JASON meeting at General Atomics in June 2008 in La Jolla. Therefore, for Towler to tell the Times Higher Education Supplement that I thought Towler was in the pay of the CIA was blatantly false and I had previously admonished Towler not to spread that false story to the press."
• November 1992, no. 295, MUFON UFO Journal, p. 4, Jim Schnabel, 'Confessions of a crop circle spy!': "[Sarcasm:] A female journalist who has written over a dozen books and novels about the occult and strange phenomena, who is working on a book about the circles, and who heads a North American crop circle research group [Rosemary Ellen Guiley], has been linked to a CIA contract employee (who is not only a circles enthusiast but an arch-conspiracy theorist as well [Ron Pandolfi]), and is therefore clearly up to no good. ... Rob Irving received phone calls from the noted cerealogists M and G [Rosemary Ellen Guiley?], who seemed to be speaking on behalf of their organization. Somehow, they at last had heard tapes of the first call between Irving and Azadehdel (the latter had claimed to them, apparently, that he hadn't taped the first call), and they had realized that it all had been a hoax, just as we had said. W's magazine had been pulled from the printers, and the article detailing The Plan had been removed. M and G [Rosemary Ellen Guiley?] congratulated Irving and me on our acting ability. They and their colleagues henceforth would look more closely at any material emerging from Ambassador Victorian. It had been a regrettable experience for everyone. They hoped that it could all be put behind them. They wished now that they had taken our hoax admission, two weeks before, at fece value..."
• December 7, 1992, Rosemary Ellen Guiley, Center For North American Crop Circle Studies, press statement: "Far too much attention was devoted this summer in crop circle circles to allegations concerning disinformation, conspiracy and hoaxing. Individuals alleged to be the masterminds of a plot to debunk circles were given more credit than they deserved by noise made by some cereologists. The unfortunate result was to shift attention away from solving the mystery of the phenomenon to focus on personalities and name calling. As for the circles themselves, in England they manifested in as mysterious shapes as before, with the signature of Goddess stronger than ever: snails, crescent moons, the knot of Isis (resembling and alpha) and the mu-at, a dumbbell with crescent that is also a sign of Isis. Overall, the activity was more low-key than the previous year..."

Dr. Simeon Hein

Appearance(s) on Coast to Coast AM: February 5, 2003; November 9, 2003; September 17, 2005; March 25, 2006; April 25, 2006; September 9, 2006; September 23, 2009; March 9, 2014.

Discussed in ISGP's main crop circle article.

Lucy Pringle

Appearances: July 30, 2009 (with Linda Moulton Howe)

• Very much focused on the psychological and spiritual effects of crop circles.
• At Lucypringle.co.uk she maintains the leading crop circle gallery. Unfortunately, circles aren't filtered as "genuine" and fake. Many obviously fake formations can be found in the gallery's ranks, with possibly all of them fake.
• Founding council member of the nationally-organized and very new-agy Centre for Crop Circle Research, which existed from April 1990 until 2005:
  • October 19, 2005, Swirled News, 'Centre for Crop Circle Research Closes Down': "Founded in April 1990 by now legendary research figures such as Michael Green, Lucy Pringle, Ralph Noyes, George Wingfield, et al, and symbolically headed by its president, Professor Archie Roy, and its impressive-sounding patron, the Earl of Haddington, the organisation was set up by a curiously mixed group of mystics, scientists, ex-Ministry of Defence staff and Old Etonians. ... [The Cerealogist] editor John Michell ... In the early years of the 1990s, CCCS did successfully provide a publicity mouthpiece for researchers whose views might otherwise have got buried under the snazzy and relentless PR campaigns of the Delgado and Andrews camp. ... Jim Schnabel suggests CCCS was a cover for a Black Magic coven with Pagan agendas... [Friends of Hekate, and most notably chairman Michael Green with his Atlantean ideas, as well as John Michell...]"
  • July 1993, The Crop Watcher, #18, Anthea Holland (CCCS), 'A report on the crop circle making demonstration given by Jim Schnabel at Pentlow, Nr. Sudbury, Suffolk, on July 3rd, 1993': "The names of those gathered expectantly to await Schnabel's arrival [included] Lucy Pringle, "Human Effects" expert and CCCS council member."
  • August 1998, Magonia, 'Like Ball Lightning: A Memory of Ralph Noyes': "The following day, Friday, we drove up to Winchester, where the CCCS was holding its own first international Conference [on July 17-19, 1992], ‘Crop Circles, the Enigma for the Nineties'. Anyone who was anyone in cereology at the time was there that weekend: John Michell, George Wingfield [CCCS director of research], Colin Andrews, pilot and photographer Busty Taylor [CCCS director for Hampshire and Wiltshire], dowser Richard Andrews, Montague Keen, Chorost, Jurgen Kronig, Noyes and others. ..."
  • January 22, 1995, MUFON Ontario, 'The Wiltshire Crop Circle Farce': "Readers may also be interested to learn that Paul Vigay, a CCCS Council member and field officer who runs something called the Independent Research Centre for Unexplained Phenomena (IRCUP) from an address in Portsmouth, mixes with these [clandestine] circle makers at The Barge but makes not the slightest mention of this fact in Enigma, the magazine Vigay edits and publishes on behalf of his "world-wide" research organisation (the letter heading features an artist's impression of the alleged "Grey" alien of UFO folklore). In a recent letter to your Editor Paul Vigay admits that he has seen hoaxers placing "artifacts" inside crop circles in Wiltshire. For some reason Vigay refuses to name these circle makers or how he seems to know who these hoaxers are. It is suspected that Vigay has film of these circlemakers in the process of making circles, a claim which Vigay has not denied. In several extensive interviews with a second "deep throat" source your Editor has learnt that a group of around one dozen circlemakers are claiming responsibility for having made every single formation which has appeared in Southern Britain this summer. This claim is supported by the fact that many of the 1994 formations were based on a common theme - the so-called Scorpion - and that some of these designs appear in a booklet titled "A Beginners Guide to Crop Circle Making", which has been produced by the Wiltshire Circlemakers "with assistance from Fe3" (see review on page 19)."
  • Members of the Centre for Crop Circle Studies (CCCS), which existed from April 1990 to 2005: Michael Green (main founder; chairman until March 1994; Atlantean ideas; by Jim Schnabel accused of being part of the occult and satanic cult Friends of Hekate) | Archie Roy (founding president; involved with Andrews in Operation White Crow in 1989) | George Wingfield (founding member; director of research; editor The Cerealogist; believer in Budd Hopkins' bogus alien abduction work) | John Michell (main editor The Cerealogist | Lucy Pringle (founding council member) | Busty Taylor (director for Wiltshire and Hampshire) | David Kingston (Dorset director) | Michael Glickman (early council member) | Leonie Starr (invited by Green) | Paul Vigay (council member) | George Bishop (chair 1996-2000) | Roy Dutton (suggested Cayton should join) | David Cayton (member since 1996; also at Quest International) | John Haddington (president) | Rita Goold (member and researcher until outed by Michael Green) | Colin Andrews (involved in early conferences).
  • thecropcirclewebsite.50megs.com/page18.htm, David Kingston (of the CCCS), 'Barbury Castle Formation 1991': "This has to be one of my favourite formations. I remember travelling from Dorset at 6.45am on the morning of the 17th July after receiving a telephone call from a friend who lived in Marlborough at 5.45am on his way to work. Carrying my equipment, compass, tape deck, RF Scanner and other items I set off, soon leaving Dorset far behind. Upon arriving near Barbury Castle I was somewhat disappointed to be met by the Army who had set up an exclusion zone around, not only the field the formation was in but also in adjacent fields. I eventually, through devious methods, made my way to a high vantage point. The sight was amazing, I do not think I have ever been so "blown away" by seeing a formation. (position of formation) The sight was mind-blowing. I just had to be in that formation, some force, something was drawing me to it. One hour later I was on my way, the Army were dispersing. After seeking out what turned out to be a farm labourer, the following story emerged. He had been stopped by the Army at 5.45am from going along a footpath to work, the reason given, a military piece of equipment had been lost from a helicopter and the Army were searching the fields for it he had been told, until the alleged piece of equipment was found an exclusion zone would remain in existence, he had also been told. I asked him if the army had been in the field where the formation was. He stated that he had gone back home and telephoned the farmer so was not aware if they had. The Army had over-stepped their jurisdiction, I do not believe they had lost anything personally and had no jurisdiction to close fields or roads. The only government body that could have requested the Army in to assist was the M.A.F.F. (Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries). After a telephone call to them later that day they stated that they knew nothing of the affair. Upon entering the field I found no signs of footprints which I would have expected if the army had trampled across the field. The formation was in pristine condition, no damage could be seen. My ears hurt and I felt as if there was a huge electrostatic charge as the hairs on my arms were bristling. The compass was spinning wildly and I took measurements from the RF scanner and other equipment I had. Not one photograph I took that morning was printable from that formation at ground zero (they were all fogged), other researchers that followed later did take "pole shots" and they came out alright, it did not seem to effect aerial photographs. I have often wondered since if I had returned later I could have taken some photographs at ground zero and they would have been alright. The sound that appeared on the sound recording equipment was unusual to say the least, nothing like the "electronic sparrow" sound that I had managed to record in another formation. The Army presence to this day remains a mystery. The formation unfortunately did not stay pristine for very long and soon it became a victim of severe wind damage and many fee."
• Pringle is also part of the problem:
  • July 1993, The Crop Watcher, #18, Paul Fuller, 'Doug Bower at the Nafferton Hall, Marlborough, July 28th 1993': "Lucy Pringle and Pat Delgado are alleged to have stated that Ken Brown was playing with people's "faiths" and "irrationalities" and that by investigating the Doug and Dave [hoaxing] claim [which Delgado and Andrews had been playing into by labeling many of their creations "genuine] there was a "danger" that Brown was destroying the beliefs of "90 per cent of the crop circle believers". Brown alleged that Delgado and Pringle were keen to hush up the truth about the Doug and Dave claim..."
  • The above statement is almost certainly true, looking at what Delgado was heard saying immediately after his first confrontation with Doug and Dave: September 9, 1991, Today, 'Men who conned the world: Exposed: Two artists admit they pulled off the great corn circles hoax for 13 years' (Pat Delgado quotes): "You've done so much good in this world, you have brought millions of people together over this. Thousands have changed their lives. You're going to upset an awful lot of lives by blowing this now. Couldn't you just tail it off with a couple more next year?"

Jim Schnabel

Appearance(s) on Coast to Coast AM: Early 1999 apparently.

• artbell.com/guests4.html (accessed: May 8, 1999): "Jim Schnabel Book: Remote Viewers: The Secret History of America's Psychic Spies [1997]" Exact date not listed. Not listed in January 1999, so probably invited in early 1999.
• Started out as a young American student interested in the British crop circle phenomenon around 1991. A clear-as-day CIA/MI5 asset, however, who spent the summer of 1992 discrediting the phenomenon in the field and the following year with a book and in newspaper articles. Part of the original Circlemakers.org team ("Team Satan"), which has been strongly linked to MI5. Reported Opus Dei. In 1992 Schnabel himself was tricked by a crop circle reporter and caught on tape explaining that the phenomenon was real ("sinister") and that a "supernational organization" was working to both understand the phenomenon as well as discredit it. While he went to great lengths that to deny that the claims were serious, he basically pushed a similar line in his 1993 book 'Round in Circles' as far as the "black magic" theme goes. Implicated the CCCS in this and more.
• 2012, Elizabeth Zollinger, 'Crop Circles: An Open Case', p. 53: "As Andy Thomas reports in his book, Jim Schnabel made some strange accusations to the 'Centre for Crop Circle Studies', claiming the CCCS being "a front for a black magic coven known as the 'Friends of Hekate" (Andy Thomas). As a researcher had discovered, Jim Schnabel had once been in a 'Opus Dei' school (an extremist Catholic Church organisation)."
• September 1996, Fortean Times, John Lundberg of Circlemakers.org (colleague and friend of Schnabel), 'The Henry X File', part 2 of 3: "Armen Victorian Interviews a Member of That Security Service (UFO Audio Tape #15)." The first tape played at the 1992 Leeds conference featured the voice of a young American sociology student, based at Lincoln College, Oxford - that traditional aegis of spies - whom Azadehdel believed to be operating undercover for the CIA. As The Guardian rightly predicted, it featured the getting-to-know-you banter of recruitment: STUDENT: "NATO? Well, Germany is involved Gasps were heard from the audience as Azadehdel revealed that the student/agent lived within a short distance of the Oxford' headquarters of the right-wing Jesuit order Opus Dei."
• April 1993, Houston UFO Network (HUFON) Report, letter of George Wingfield (background: ): "What was printed in HUFON Report was the transcript of a telephone conversation which Schnabel had with Armen Victorian, and its accuracy has never been contested before (though part may have been omitted since the conversation was incomplete). There was also a short commentary by me. If Schnabel now claims that the conversation was a "send up", as I had noted in the published commentary, he has absolutely no reason for complaint since it was he who said these things. To bemoan that he was lying to Victorian, and that every-one should have known that, and simply accept what he says now is the truth, is really a most curious complaint! (It is also, as far as I can see, his only way out of this most extraordinary mess which he has gotten himself into). I commented that, in the taped conversation, Schnabel "reveals his role as a paid government agent" and, whatever the validity of the tape's content, I would not modify this assessment, though I have no proof that he belongs to any particular group or organisation. Throughout 1992, he pursued this objective, engaging in extensive circlefaking and attempts to mislead and confuse CCCS and other circles researchers. ... Whether the infamous tape was itself intended as disinformation - - a subtle blend of truth and fiction intended to mislead and confuse -- is obviously open to speculation. In Schnabel's letter to HUFON Report there are many outright lies such as: (1) the suggestion that I've said Michael Green "practices black magic" (absurd), (2) Claims that I have accused all sorts of people of "espionage activity" against me (ridiculous!), (3) "How can we get Schnabel?" (not something I ever said to Irving), (4) "that MUFON was part of some conspiracy" (never!) (5) that "government agents were following me to crop circle lectures" (preposterous!), (6) etc., etc." ... What I commented on, regarding Schnabel, is there on the tape and these things were things which he undoubtedly said, whatever his explanation now. His claims about me are mostly total fabrication. As for him being a "journalist for several years", one must take that with a pinch of salt, since it is based on a mere handful of articles which he has written for newspapers. Less than six months ago he used to say that he was a student doing a Ph.D. course at Bath University, a description he now seems to have been abandoned [sic]. There is no way that he earns a living for himself from journalism and, unless he is a man of some personal wealth [sic]. One might easily wonder who finances his activities in this country. Perhaps Mr. Schnabel would like to give, for once, a straight yes/no answer to the following questions: (1) Was he one of those involved in making the large elaborate crop formation near Froxfield (approx. O.S. Ref: SU273683) on the night of August 8/9 [1992]? (2) Does he have links with either of the religious groups, Pax Romana or Opus Dei? This would provide a useful true/false result for further voice stress analysis."
• MI5 hints of Schnabel's Circlemakers.org team:
  • Circlemakers.org/new_documents.html (accessed: December 7, 2000 (Webarchive)): "[Banner on top of the page:] A career in the Secret Service? www,MI5.gov.uk. © Crown Copyright 1998."
  • *) Circlemakers.org/new_documents.html (accessed: December 7, 2000 (Webarchive): "[Source code:] <META NAME="Keywords" CONTENT="mi5, security service, serious crime, british security service, spy, security, intelligence, terrorism, espionage, proliferation, corn circles, circlemakers, circle makers, crop circles, pictograms, cerealogy, fractals, weird shit, aliens, ufo, hoaxers, hoax, hoaxing, fake, fakers, faking, paranormal, weird, fortean, cerealogy, John Lundberg, Rod Dickinson, Wil Russell, Robert Irving, Jim Schnabel, Julian Richardson, Doug and Dave, Doug Bower, Dave Chorley, CIA, MI5, MBF services, MIB, men in black, apocalypse, 2000, aliens, UFOs, black watch, landscape art"> <META NAME="Description" CONTENT="circlemakers: Home of England's crop circle makers. Making the world a more interesting place.">"
  • Circlemakers.org/new_documents.html (accessed: September 15,2014): Exactly the same. Also: "NEWS UPDATE 25-06-2014: Circlemakers Commander-in-chief Doug Bower - who swirled his first circle in 1976 - is 90 years young today."
  • Circlemakers.org/new_documents.html (accessed: September 15, 2014): "News update 06-03-2004: Well, it looks like veteran crop circle researcher Colin Andrews (pictured right) might be forced to go get a real job! He's posted an urgent appeal for funds on his website stating that "unless funds are secured within the next four weeks, the complete operation will close". If you want to help Colin out, you can make a tax deductible donation via his website. We'll be meeting up with Colin at the edge of a field in Wiltshire in the next few days to hand over a brown envelope "stuffed with cash". We hope he can sort out his finances, because if he does bow out of the crop circle research field he would leave a huge void in his wake. Colin, can we suggest that you give Freddy Silva a call, as - if he is to be believed - sales of his crop circle screed "Secrets in the Fields" have now topped twenty thousand, I'm sure he'd love to plough some of the profits from the book back into crop circle research, eh Freddy? If all else fails maybe Colin could join MI5's psy-ops department and retrain as a crop circle maker..."
  • Circlemakers.org/new_documents.html (accessed: September 15, 2014): "you'd be surprised how expensive running a successful website can be, don't panic, we're not going to ask you for money - but if you want to show you appreciation for 10 years of circlemaking thrills and spills go splash some cash in our shop - no, our retainer from sources we'd rather not disclose has kept our virtual head above water, but sadly this isn't that case for other such sites. Crop circle 'researcher' Paul Vigay (pictured above studying his bank statement) who runs the rather good cropcircleresearch.com website has hit some choppy financial waters and is appealing for ten thousand dollars "as a matter of urgency" in order to keep his website online. Assuming you haven't donated all of your disposable income to the tsunami appeal, Paul has set up a page where you can send him some cash."
  • 2009, Richard D. Hall, 'Crop Circles: The Hidden Truth' (alternative TV special): "I decided to check out Lundberg's residence, which is an apartment in London. I decided to run some land registry checks on the apartment and I came up with some bizarre findings. The block where Lundberg lives built in 1995 contains about 40 apartments. Lundberg's apartment does not appear on the land registry database. ... There's no record of it ever being bought or sold. I telephoned the Land Registry service. They said it must have never been sold since it was built. There are three more properties neighboring Lundberg's that have this exact same anomaly. I telephoned the Housing Association, which was listed as the owner of these properties and asked if they had any apartments for rent in that block. They said they have four and that the tenants in those properties were, quote, "a different type of tenant than our normal tenant." I asked what they meant by this and she said the rent was not paid by the tenants. They were either leased or paid for by the council. I checked out the identities of the residents of the other three properties and judging by what they do for a living, I would not expect them to be entitled to housing benefits. Therefore the rents are not being paid for by the council. Could it be that I have uncovered three more people who were associated with the same organization? ... In carrying out this work, I now believe I have the identities of seven MI5 agents [probably 3 couples and Lundberg] operating in various professions, predominantly the media, one of whom is a household name. For my own personal safety this information has been shared with a number of trusted individuals who are holding the information at this time. "2009, Richard D. Hall, 'Crop Circles: The Hidden Truth' (alternative TV special): "I decided to check out Lundberg's residence, which is an apartment in London. I decided to run some land registry checks on the apartment and I came up with some bizarre findings. The block where Lundberg lives built in 1995 contains about 40 apartments. Lundberg's apartment does not appear on the land registry database. ... There's no record of it ever being bought or sold. I telephoned the Land Registry service. They said it must have never been sold since it was built. There are three more properties neighboring Lundberg's that have this exact same anomaly. I telephoned the Housing Association, which was listed as the owner of these properties and asked if they had any apartments for rent in that block. They said they have four and that the tenants in those properties were, quote, "a different type of tenant than our normal tenant." I asked what they meant by this and she said the rent was not paid by the tenants. They were either leased or paid for by the council. I checked out the identities of the residents of the other three properties and judging by what they do for a living, I would not expect them to be entitled to housing benefits. Therefore the rents are not being paid for by the council. Could it be that I have uncovered three more people who were associated with the same organization? ... In carrying out this work, I now believe I have the identities of seven MI5 agents [probably 3 couples and Lundberg] operating in various professions, predominantly the media, one of whom is a household name. For my own personal safety this information has been shared with a number of trusted individuals who are holding the information at this time. "
• June 28, 1993, Marek Kohn (lives close to the area of crop circles; British science writer on evolution, biology, society, and climate change; writes for The Independent, New Scientist, Prospect, Financial Times, The Guardian, and the New Statesman.) for The Independent, 'Book review: Pranksters with garden tools and the foolish corn cultists: 'Round in Circles' - Jim Schnabel: Hamish Hamilton, 16.99 pounds': " THE GREAT souffle of human folly that was the crop-circle cult began to collapse in July 1990, when Colin Andrews told Nicholas Witchell and an astonished BBC morning audience that a 'major event' in a cornfield had been captured by surveillance equipment. When Andrews and his partner, Pat Delgado, entered the site of the 'event' some time later, they found copies of a board game called Zodiac. Both in this incident and throughout the history of the phenomenon, the actions of the hoaxers were no more than a beginning: the 'cerealogists' themselves were the architects of their own foolishness. One of the suspects for the Zodiac hoax was the KLF, a rock band renowned for pranks and stunts. Its leader, Bill Drummond, was subsequently reported to have been seen in the area wearing a long straggly beard, a skirt and a bowler hat. He must have blended into the crowd of circle kooks perfectly. As Jim Schnabel points out, the corn story is a people story, and he leads the reader on a merry romp among the UFO spotters, the dowsers, the gentleman from the Maltese Esoteric Society, the Japanese scientists who tried to materialise ball lightning in the laboratory and the beginnings of a visionary Earth cult that believed the formations to be a cry of pain from an ecologically challenged planet. All this from a few planks and garden rollers. Schnabel's account, pacy and sly, is great fun, but light on analysis. He is content to leave implicit the key to the whole circus, which is the compulsion to deny triviality. Crop circle enthusiasts made much of details such as the layering observed in the flattened stalks, claiming these as evidence of a mysterious process. Freelance meteorologist Terence Meaden concluded that what was at work were 'plasma vortices', with properties as yet uncomprehended by science. His rival, Pat Delgado, came to the view that the patterns were created by alien intelligences that manipulated arcane forms of energy. Eventually, rationalists such as the Wessex Skeptics, a group of scientists from Southampton University, forced the cerealogists to recognise that all the observed characteristics of crop patterns could be created by humans using simple garden tools. In retrospect, it looks as though Delgado and Andrews acquired their faith too slowly. Had they announced a visitation and a new religion from the word go, without bothering to set up surveillance cameras and enact the rituals of investigation, they might not have been vulnerable to the mockery of reason. Terence Meaden's project was always doomed; as he insisted that his divinatory powers were scientific in character. Eventually, Doug Rower and Dave Chorley came forward. Some time in the Seventies, they said, inspired by a report of a 'nest' left by a UFO in Australia, they had replicated the effect in a field. It turned into a private craze, which was then imitated. Doug and Dave only claimed a couple of hundred circles, a tenth of the total. Jim Schnabel owns up to a few of the remainder, sketchily. Happily, some of the larger mystery remains. One of the most remarkable features of the circle circus is how few of the pattern-makers have revealed themselves or been exposed, despite worldwide media attention and the camaraderie of the Wiltshire cerealogists' pubs. Some were certainly hoaxers; some may perhaps have done it for the sake of art. All made fools of the cultists - and enabled Delgado and Andrews to sell 100,000 copies of their first book. Fool yourself, and the world is fooled with you; be sceptical, and you're on your own."
• Circlemakers.org/ever2.html (first uploaded in 2000): "CSETI leader Steven Greer actually communicated with one in 1992, coincidentally the same night that Irving and Jim Schnabel were flying an illuminated helium balloon."
• Circlemakers.org/gm23.html (first uploaded in 2000): "Plasma vortex theorist Dr Terence Meaden inspects a 'magically' bent stalk of oil-seed rape from Rob Irving's and Jim Schnabel's first attempt at circumcereal mastery. "The worst circles I've ever seen", commented Dr Meaden."
• Circlemakers.org/case_history.html: ""[Jim Schnabel:] One summers evening in 1978 after several pints in the Percy Hobbs Doug Bower and Dave Chorley were taking the air on a bridle path on the Longwood Estate, near Cheesefoot Head. They were talking about UFOs. Bower (who used to live in Melbourne, Australia) recalled a case in Queensland, where a UFO had reportedly ascended from a swirled nest of marsh-grass. 'What do you think would happen if we put a nest over there?' Bower joked to Chorley, pointing to a nearby wheatfield. 'People would think a flying saucer had landed." Jim Schnabel - Round in Circles "The nocturnal pastime of circle making was made popular by the work of two Hampshire-based artists, Doug Bower and Dave Chorley. For over 12 years their simple circle sets attracted the interest of scientists world-wide. During this time other artists begane them, eventually superseding them, and continued a chain reaction - mutating from the UFO lore from which it still suckles and, in turn, nourishes - to become what is arguably the most mysterious 'tactile- paranormal' phenomenon this century. In 1991, Doug & Dave's claim to original authorship created an atmosphere well known to theological sociologists; that discomfirmation can lead to strengthened belief. Consistent with previous millennial activity, the religious use of pseudo science to plot our destiny has reached another high... the circles have become signs and portents of our time.""
• Circlemakers.org/jim.html (first uploaded in 1999):: "In the early summer of 1991, a part of my mind was inclined to rebel against the notion of crop circles as a form of artistic achievement. The phenomenon, thought tainted by occasional hoaxing, seemed fundamentally 'genuine'. To equate it with art, however abstract and benign the intended equation, was to undermine its mystery, its resonant signification of something unknown. Art was for artists and for human, overt artistry. Crop circles, and related anomalies such as unidentified flying objects, belonged to scientists and the realm of objectivity. ... As I began to make circles myself, l noted that my own mistakes, or unconscious idiosyncracies, were transformed magically by cerealogists into special accomplishments that no human could possibly duplicate. A standing stalk in a circle of felled wheat, missed by my garden roller as a lawnmower might miss a blade of grass, was seen as a cerealogical miracle. A pictogram, fabricated with the aid of several pints of Guinness and a wood-and-rope stalk stomper, was later alleged, with the most sensitive instruments, to be buzzing with radioactivity. At times it seemed that we hoaxers, rather than the crop circle phenomenon itself, were invisible to ordinary mortals, who could only see what they were programmed to see. I once lost a stalk-stomping implement, and learned later that it had been discovered by circles enthusiasts who assumed it to be some other researcher's measuring rod. A policeman, asking during a 3 am stop check why I had a garden roller in the rear seat of my car, was placated by the shrugged, nervous answer that it was 'just something I carry around.' Ironically, even rumours of hoaxers weren't always what they seemed; circlemaking friends would report having left a certain field at three, while the relevant farmer, presumably anxious to forestall religious pilgrimages through his crops, would produce a detailed account of having seen people carrying poles and garden rollers from the formation at five."
• May 16, 2001, Swirled News, 'New revelations on 'Operation Blackbird'?': "Colin Andrews says (8) that his mobile phone was tapped during Operation Blackbird – calls he made from his car were deducted from the bill, and paid for by the British Government. The names of the people he called and contents of the calls were given to Jim Schnabel, a man some alleged had CIA connections, who later published the information in his 1993 book Round In Circles."
• Circlemakers.org/new_documents.html (accessed: December 7, 2000 (Webarchive): "[Source code:] <META NAME="Keywords" CONTENT="mi5, security service, serious crime, british security service, spy, security, intelligence, terrorism, espionage, proliferation, corn circles, circlemakers, circle makers, crop circles, pictograms, cerealogy, fractals, weird shit, aliens, ufo, hoaxers, hoax, hoaxing, fake, fakers, faking, paranormal, weird, fortean, cerealogy, John Lundberg, Rod Dickinson, Wil Russell, Robert Irving, Jim Schnabel, Julian Richardson, Doug and Dave, Doug Bower, Dave Chorley, CIA, MI5, MBF services, MIB, men in black, apocalypse, 2000, aliens, UFOs, black watch, landscape art"> <META NAME="Description" CONTENT="circlemakers: Home of England's crop circle makers. Making the world a more interesting place.">"
• Circlemakers.org/new_documents.html (accessed: September 15,2014): Exactly the same. Also: "NEWS UPDATE 25-06-2014: Circlemakers Commander-in-chief Doug Bower - who swirled his first circle in 1976 [1978 actually] - is 90 years young today."
• Circlemakers.org/new_documents.html (accessed: December 7, 2000 (Webarchive)): "[Banner on top of the page:] A career in the Secret Service? www,MI5.gov.uk. © Crown Copyright 1998."
• Circlemakers.org/new_documents.html (accessed: September 15, 2014): "You'd be surprised how expensive running a successful website can be, don't panic, we're not going to ask you for money - but if you want to show you appreciation for 10 years of circlemaking thrills and spills go splash some cash in our shop - no, our retainer from sources we'd rather not disclose has kept our virtual head above water, but sadly this isn't that case for other such sites. Crop circle 'researcher' Paul Vigay (pictured above studying his bank statement) who runs the rather good cropcircleresearch.com website has hit some choppy financial waters and is appealing for ten thousand dollars "as a matter of urgency" in order to keep his website online. Assuming you haven't donated all of your disposable income to the tsunami appeal, Paul has set up a page where you can send him some cash."
• Circlemakers.org/new_documents.html (accessed: September 15, 2014): "News update 06-03-2004: Well, it looks like veteran crop circle researcher Colin Andrews (pictured right) might be forced to go get a real job! He's posted an urgent appeal for funds on his website stating that "unless funds are secured within the next four weeks, the complete operation will close". If you want to help Colin out, you can make a tax deductible donation via his website. We'll be meeting up with Colin at the edge of a field in Wiltshire in the next few days to hand over a brown envelope "stuffed with cash". We hope he can sort out his finances, because if he does bow out of the crop circle research field he would leave a huge void in his wake. Colin, can we suggest that you give Freddy Silva a call, as - if he is to be believed - sales of his crop circle screed "Secrets in the Fields" have now topped twenty thousand, I'm sure he'd love to plough some of the profits from the book back into crop circle research, eh Freddy? If all else fails maybe Colin could join MI5's psy-ops department and retrain as a crop circle maker..."
• Circlemakers.org/new_documents.html (accessed: September 15, 2014): "News update 28-01-2005: After watching Jon Ronson's recent Channel 4 series The Crazy Rulers of the World which focused on a secret military unit called The First Earth Battalion [of psy ops expert General Albert Stubblebine] that believed they could become invisible, walk through walls and, perhaps most chillingly, kill goats just by staring at them circlemaker John Lundberg wanted his very own First Earth Battalion t-shirt. You can have one too, as he's printed up a few extra for like minded individuals. You'll join the ranks of Jon Ronson, Crazy Rulers of the World contributor Peter Brusso and First Earth Battalion inventor Jim Channon who already have one. Visit John's website for more information."
• 2009, Richard D. Hall, 'Crop Circles: The Hidden Truth' (Rich Planet alternative TV special): "I decided to check out Lundberg's residence, which is an apartment in London. I decided to run some land registry checks on the apartment and I came up with some bizarre findings. The block where Lundberg lives built in 1995 contains about 40 apartments. Lundberg's apartment does not appear on the land registry database. ... There's no record of it ever being bought or sold. I telephoned the Land Registry service. They said it must have never been sold since it was built. There are three more properties neighboring Lundberg's that have this exact same anomaly. I telephoned the Housing Association, which was listed as the owner of these properties and asked if they had any apartments for rent in that block. They said they have four and that the tenants in those properties were, quote, "a different type of tenant than our normal tenant." I asked what they meant by this and she said the rent was not paid by the tenants. They were either leased or paid for by the council. I checked out the identities of the residents of the other three properties and judging by what they do for a living, I would not expect them to be entitled to housing benefits. Therefore the rents are not being paid for by the council. Could it be that I have uncovered three more people who were associated with the same organization? ... In carrying out this work, I now believe I have the identities of seven MI5 agents [probably 3 couples and Lundberg] operating in various professions, predominantly the media, one of whom is a household name. For my own personal safety this information has been shared with a number of trusted individuals who are holding the information at this time."
• 1996, Michael Hesemann, 'Worldwide Crop Formations and ET Contacts', pp. 44-47: " More than a year after 'Doug & Dave' there were substantial indications that their appearance in the media was only one part of a larger-scale operation aiming to discredit the crop circle phenomenon. All through the summer of 1992, a small group of dubious individuals tried to disturb the work of serious crop circle researchers, through hoaxes and disruptive and sometimes upsetting manipulative activities. Real formations were 'souped up' artificially, and false pictograms were formed right next to research stations, where they seriously distracted researchers' attention from the real circles. One of the activists in this plot was Robert Irving, also called 'Spiderman' in cereological circles. He was a dubious photographer who up to now had attracted attention by tracking down crop circle researchers during their nightly watches and taking photos of them. Once, when asked who paid him, Robert Irving, a nephew of a high-ranking civil servant in the Home Office, apparently mentioned a 'foundation'. Irving had been a member of the 'Beckhampton Group' of local crop circle researchers, whose dissolution in August 1992 goes back to a great degree to his negative influences. Among Robert Irving's closest friends was Jim Schnabel, a young American who tried to present the phenomenon in several newspaper articles as a big illusion, and the circle researchers as credulous dreamers - in the quality Independent, among other papers. Schnabel originated from a suburb in Washington DC and studied at Duke University, before he continued his studies - financed by an American foundation - first at Lincoln College at Oxford and then at the University of Bath. In July 1992 he won the second prize at a crop circle hoaxing competition sponsored by the German magazine PM and the Cereologist. Later he admitted to have faked further formations together with Robert Irving. Were Robert Irving and Jim Schnabel two harmless nutcases - or were their 'actions' backed by brains and possibly finance behind them, possibly from the secret services? To find out, the British UFO researcher Armen Victorian had a lengthy telephone call with Schnabel on 30th August 1992, which he recorded on tape. Victorian pretended to be an African named 'Mr. Ntumba', and claimed that Irving had already introduced him to his secret service activities, and that he was now interested in collaborating with that campaign. In the course of the conversation, Schnabel revealed details of an anti-crop circle plot, which in addition to the British also involved USA, Germany and the Vatican. The aim of the plot was, according to Schnabel, to discredit the crop circle phenomenon so much that it would 'disappear' from the media, and thus public awareness, since it was feared that the circles could bring about a 'change of world consciousness'. In England, the tapes caused a stir, after their publication at the Quest International UFO Conference at Leeds in mid-September 1992, and soon there was some talk about a 'Circlegate'. However, Schnabel came to explain that the whole conversation had been a joke, saying he had recognised Victorian and had wanted to pull his leg. A nifty excuse. The fact is that Schnabel said nothing on the tape which wasn't known to insiders long before. And his diverse actions - together with Robert Irving - indicate that he - whether on his own account or on somebody's instructions - quite obviously had an interest in bringing crop circle euphoria to an end and in bringing circle researchers into disrepute. The complete 'Schnabel Tape' was published in Magazin 2000 in Germany (no 93, April 1993), and here follow the most interesting passages...
• January 1993, Houston UFO Journal (HUFON), 'Crop Circles, Sinister Development' (full Schnabel tape transcript): "[Telephone rings] Sch: Hello. Vic: Mr Schnabel? Sch: Yes. Vic: This is Mr Ntumba. Sch: Oh, hi. Hallo. Vic: I'm sorry to bother you at this time of the night. I was...now then, I was speaking to your friend. Sch: Sorry? Vic: I was, I was speaking to your friend a few hours ago, Mr Robert Irving. Sch: Oh yeah, Rob Irving, yeah. Vic: That's right; and I understand that you won the second prize in proving that, eventually, these, eh, circles are not really what the others think are made by 7-feet green men. And they are very much in an earth bound situation. Sch: Yes, yes, I wouldn't have to prove anything really. Vic: My congratulations - [laughs] - you did a good job. Sch: Thank you very much, thank you very much. Vic: Have you published anything? Sch: Yes, eh, I have published a few things.... Vic: In magazines or newspapers - or private or.. ? Sch: Well, yeah, I published something just this past weekend. Vic: Ah! Sch: In the Independent Magazine - that was a collaboration with.... Vic: Hey! You have an American accent! Sch: Sorry? Vic: You have an American accent. Sch: Yes, I'm originally from the States, that's true. Vic: Which part? Sch: I'm from the East Coast. Vic: East Coast. New York part? Sch: In Virginia. Vic: Virginia, a beautiful part of the country. Sch: Yes it is, thank you very much. Vic: Beautiful part of the country. One thing. . . One thing that Mr Irving said to me that I was a bit puzzled. He said that he works at a group of intelligence . . ., or something like that. Sch: Oh, he did? Vic: He did. Sch: [Laughs] He, um... Vic: When? Sch: He sometimes, eh. . ., says things that he shouldn't say, but, eh... Vic: What? Did he work genuinely with an intelligence... Sch: Sorry - say that again. Vic: Did he actually work with intelligence in the past? Sch: Well, I really couldn't comment on anything like that. I mean I think you'd have to ask him. Vic: ' Cos he was saying to me that - you know...What did he say to me?... It was something that mystified me, to be perfectly honest with you. Eh, you know, he said that it pays, you know, that exactly what, you know, he said to me, to do what he is doing, and he works with a western intelligence... , he said to me. Sch: Yeah. Vic: And he said that man doesn't live on bread alone. Sch: Yeah, well, you know, I really couldn't comment on any of that, I mean, ...eh.... Vic: Do you know, if that's the case that he is actually working with.. ? Sch: Well, I wouldn't want to say anything on the record obviously. Vic: [Laughs.] Well I don't blame you, can I? But I mean is he. .? What I'm trying to say is you know....Look, you've handled these cases for several....sometimes people say things, as you've said yourself. Is it saying it in order to create credence and mystery or you know this....? because if it is the case, it backfires doesn't it, because that makes the man...you know what I'm trying to say. Sch: No, I'm not clear Vic: All I'm saying is....if that's not the case, the man doesn't work,.so why is he making all this, you know...statements, you see what I'm saying, it makes him look, you know, a person who doesn't have any credit in his opinion - do you see what I'm trying to say? Sch: Well.... Vic: It's like me saying I'm the king..... Sch: Well, I don't know.... Vic: Well, it's like me claiming.... Sch: I don't know what he has said but I mean he does have some connections in....l don't know, but I don't think thats something that either of us want to talk about. Vic: But you know - there is a story... Sch: I don't quite know who you are, so I don't want to talk about it in too much detail. Vic: No, but I've been reading some of these magazines they have issued about groups and these articles about the 7-feet green men... groups put out that's there's intelligence in it, etc., etc., and now Mr Irving says that to me. You see I was a bit taken back. Is there any interest from the intelligence ,part in it as well? Sch: Sorry, intelligence....? Vic: Any interest from the intelligence part in the phenomenon? Sch: Well, does he have an interest in the intelligence? ... I'm not sure quite what... Vic: What I'm trying to tell.... it's my bad English, I'm sorry. Sch: About M15, or are you talking about UFOs? Vic: Anything...any government intelligence group.... Sch: No, no, it's clear to me now. Yes, well I mean....off the record, I mean I think a number of agencies throughout the world have taken an interest in this. Vic: Well, that we've heard, haven't we? Sch: It is potentially a very explosive phenomenon. Vic: I mean, can they exploit it, how can they exploit the phenomenon? Sch: Well, I mean, I think...l think some of us are concerned that the phenomenon may - it's difficult to explain, but.... Vic: Try me! Sch: We believe there is certainly something very sinister about what's going on - eh..., I don't know whether you're a Christian man or not....? Vic: Christian... of course I am. Sch: But some of us feel quite.... Vic: I'm a Catholic. Sch: Well, yes, yes, so am I. And some of us feel concerned that, eh.... Vic: Some arms of the government are doing something... psychological warfare, or psychotronic weaponry, you know. Sch: We think that sometimes that a little bit of intrigue . . sometimes is necessary in cases as serious as this, um, and sometimes measures have to be taken, but I think, I mean, overall, I think that the phenomenon is something which we think will disappear very shortly. Vic: [Bated breath!!] How, how, how, how, how, how? I mean, I'm sorry, but I'm just curious - it's mind-boggling what you're saying! But how, how do you know that will happen? Sch: [Sigh] Well, we think that it, that people will no longer take notice of it, I mean, it may continue but, eh, it.... Vic: But why do you say phenomenon? You proved that this is man-made, if it's a man-made... how could it be a phenomena? Or am I in the dark, or I've missed something somewhere? Sch: Well, I'm, I'm, I think some of them are definitely man-made; I mean definitely. Vic: But, so, but so, we are suggesting that there's also a part to it that is genuine? Sch: I think there is a part which is entirely sinister and I'm not sure how genuine it is or whether it's made by people but it's something very sinister and I think it's something that.... Vic: Are we talking about magic, dark powers? Sch: Possibly, yes.. and I think that it...hang on, I'm getting a bit. . . Vic: It' s intriguing, when we say dark powers are we talking about... sort of Satan and that sort of thing, or are we talking about actually....? Sch: AbsolutelY! Vic: I see, I see, so there isn't any sort of military implication or the test of, of weaponry or anything of that sort, which is sinister? Sch: Oh, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that.. I think it's a very complex issue though....... Vic: Are we talking about the part of the military wing who's under the brainwashing, or whatever, of the sinister forces who are doing this - you know, making it a bit more complex? Sch: Well, well it's very difficult to explain to vou - to explain the structure of some of these organizations, but...... Vic: For example? Give me an example. Sch: Why? I couldn't go into detail but, eh, basically it's something which is concerning people worldwide and have pooled their resources, worldwide, and are involved..... Vic: How about the British Government? Are they also... ? Sch: Well, yes. The German Government, the American government, the Vatican as well. Vic: How about Robert? Does Robert have anything with any of this to help them along with it, to determine what is going on? Sch: I wouldn't want to comment on the record or anything like that. Vic: Of course not. Sch: Definitely, you know....as you seem to be sympathetic to what we're saying..... Vic: Of course! What you're saying makes me worried. He is definitely on the good side Sch: He is.... he is one of our best people, yes. Vic: And he's helping the governments to determine which faction is doing this? Sch: Yes, it's very... extremely sensitive, sensitive work as you can probably imagine..... Vic: Is it...eh...now, let's see, are we talking about military, or are we talking about intelligence, are we talking about the negative side, you see what I ' m trying to say? Sch: It's not quite a military thing but there are elements of military intelligence which have loaned resources. Vic. Ahhhh! ! We are talking about people who have had a career, they've left their career, they have corporations, etc., etc., they are developing some kind of weaponry and these are the testing ground. Sch: No, no, no, I wouldn't, I wouldn't go into that, it's much more of a spiritual warfare type of magic, I think.... Vic: And they trying to exploit the populous, I mean, what are they trying to achieve? This is what I'm trying to determine. Sch: I think they are trying to bring about changes in world consciousness and for evil; for, for, you know, not for good and, eh, there are some of us who are concerned about this, and would like to see this new trend stopped. Vic: Is there any positive element in the government who are supporting people like yourself or Robert or anybody else for that mattter? Sch: We have support, yes, we have support at the highest levels. Vic: That's marvelous -is it British government ....or... forgive me, I'm not trying to be a nosy parker. Sch: It involves several countries and as I say..... Vic: Are we talking NATO allies or are we talking about........... ? Sch: NATO ?...it's not at the NATO level, but it's Germany involved, and this country, and the United States... the Vatican as well. Vic: I see...I... are we talking about...? Sch: It's actually, it involves a supernational organization which I will not name. Vic: [Gasp]Supernational !!! Sch: Supernational organization. Vic: Oh, good God ! Sch: Which is....? Vic. This is above my head. Sch: Which has ties to these countries, and organizations. Vic: Are we talking, for example trilateral, that sort of thing? Sch: I wouldn't want to get into any specifics. Vic: Do you have any information...'? I'm speculating... Sch: It's something that is very dangerous to talk about, and I hope, you will, you know... Vic: I appreciate it, I appreciate it...I mean, is it a mission that you volunteered or is it something that you actually commission people ....I mean how do they...? Sch: It's...we are quite committed to it, put it that way. It's not a sense of duty but it's also..... Vic: How about the other religions, does that come into it or is it only Christian religion or just Christians committed to it? eh, I mean Buddhism, or Judaism or Islam .... you know? Sch: I don't have a high enough overview of the whole situation to know. There may be some others involved. Vic: And the information that you gather is passed on to the higher-ups in order to be filtered out and deductions have to be taken, obviously; that should be the case? Sch: Yes, yes.. we are not just feeding information, we are taking active measures. Vic: I hope they pay for what you've done, for the time and all the things that you put in to it. Sch: Well, yes...it's only natural that one should be reimbursed. Vic: That goes without saying. Sch: One has to live, you know. Vic: That is absolutely true. How many are there? Is there any way I can get, sort of, you know, involved? Sch: Well, I'll tell you, if you can, um, give me some information, I understand you would probably want to do it on a very confidential level... some information or...I could have someone possibly give you a call or visit you or something. Vic: Who, who? Is it Mr. Irving who would visit me? Sch: Oh no, it would not be Mr. Irving, it would not be Mr. Irving. You know ...possibly... Vic: Are you sure your telephone is not tapped? Sch: My telephone? [laughs] No,no, my telephone would not be tapped! My telephone is a secure phone. Vic: Give me your address, Mr. Schnabel, please. Sch: Um, well, ...[hesitation]... all right, it's, it's, um.... you can reach me, care of... I have to give you a sort of a safe, a safe box... Vic: Of course! Sch: . . . because I don't actually live here, but it's: c/o Lincoln College. Vic: Lincoln College? OK,which school in Lincoln! Sch: Lincoln College, Oxford. Vic: Oxford ? Ah ha! Sch: That's all you need to do, just: care of...To Jim Schnabel, c/o Lincoln College, Oxford. Vic: I would be able to reach you there? Sch: Yes. Vic: OK. And if I actually wanted to put anything in it I would be hopefully visited by somebody? Sch: Sorry? Vic: I would be briefed about how I can start, you know, etc., etc.? Sch: Yes, I mean... if you give me some information........ [This section is intentionally omitted.] A second call is then made on the following day: Vic: Mr Schnabel? Sch: Yes. Vic: Hello, this is Ntumba speaking. I put something into the post for you today. Sch: Ah, good, good. Vic: It will be with you if all goes well, hopefully by Tuesday - you know how well your mail works... Sch: No, I think today is a bank holiday, so there won't be any mail through. Vic: Well, I had first class stamps so I did that... Now, I remember when this, eh, ******* came here, who...you know when you said to me... has been a very good source.. there was another man... Sch: Excuse me, just let me pull the phone into my room here to be private. Vic: OK, of course. [ Very long pause ensues] Sch: Yes, right. Vic: Is it better? Sch: Yes. Vic: OK. You remember last time when we were speaking you said that, you know, ******* has been a good source with regard to promoting the cause. Sch: Yes, yes. Vic: I remember that when ******* came here there was also another person. Sch: Yes. Vic: Do you know who he was? Sch: His name is #####. Vic: Ahhhh! He was very quiet. Is he also working in the same way? Sch: I wouldn't want to speak about further things, I mean it's extremely sensitive, I really shouldn't have told you all that I've told you already...and unfortunately at the moment I'm quite busy with some things, but um, do send the material and perhaps... l'll tell you here's um, a ...I'm trying to think. Will you ... [massive hesitation]l...oh, no, no, if you send the material to Lincoln College; send some indication of where you can be reached. Vic: O.K. Sch: We can discuss things further, someone else will contact you, and eh, it won't be me, it will be a much more senior person in the organization and then subsequently, eh, you know, if things work out well and more information can be shared with you. Vic: The reason that I mentioned about that gentleman ... because he was talking almost on a similar line, you know, that you were talking in many ways... do you see what I'm saying? Sch: I really couldn't comment further on him, I wouldn't want to compromise his position. Vic: I see ! Well, I hope that, you know...that the mission will be accomplished and that, you know, after all this time. Has there been any good witness.. ? Sch: We have no doubt of success. Vic: Well I'm delighted to hear that. Now, about the payment. How do we claim for the expenses, etc., you know, how do we go about this usually? I mean, how do you go about that? Sch: Well, that will be arranged and explained to you if, if, if...[mumble, mumble] Vic: Is it on a monthly basis? Sch: If you are found to be a suitable candidate -- it's extremely generous, don't worry about that. Vic: OK. You know there is a great deal of travelling backward and forward, you know, as you are involved in this... Sch: You will be expected to travel internationally. Vic: Oh, what .... that's fascinating, that is absolutely fascinating. What sort of data, you know, they would be expecting from my side to be gathered, to be collected for the cause? Sch: It would be not only gathering data but also taking active measures, possibly conducting disinformation campaigns and other measures. Vlc: In order to safeguard the initial whatever it is, isn't it, the ultimate goal. Sch: Yes. it's extremely complex, I mean I think you were... you touched upon it briefly last night when you mentioned the weapon... Vic: I was very much impressed..... Sch: The weapons systems, I mean there's the element of the weapons testing and there's the second element of the, eh, attempt to use the phenomenon of the circles to discredit the New Age movement and other such movements. Vic: Ahhhh ! I see. Sch: It's extremely complex and much more will be explained to you if it's appropriate at a further time. Vic: Of course, of course..... Sch: Don't worry about payment, I mean, it's very generous..... Vic: No, that's not my worry...... Sch: It's extremely strenuous work and...the organization realizes that, um, you know, sometimes people become burned out after a few years but usually they've made enough money that they are able to retire - you know, after a few years anyway.... it's very generous. VIC: That's fascinating...and the gentleman, or the person rather, who would be meeting me should my you know, whatever become serious, would he be, or would she be, an American or would she be English or different... you know? Sch: I'm not sure yet which organization, I mean, that's not my decision - which person in the organization, I mean, that's not my decision. It could be someone from almost. Vic: But, but, I mean what is the organization that I would be dealing with? Sch: Well, I think that will all be explained to you. Vic: Oh, I see. When, if and when, I'm taken in. Sch: Yes. [Break] Vic: How about Colin Andrews' group - do you have any section with a remit in Colin Andrews' group or not? Sch: We have, eh...we have people in every group. Vic: Fascinating, fascinating, that's absolutely, you know, it's interesting to hear. As I said earlier, the machinery is already into the post so the best thing is I wait to hear further from you. Sch: Yes, OK, good Vic: OK. Thank you very much indeed for your time again. Sch: God bless. Vic: God bless you too. Bye bye. "
• November 15, 1992, Texas MUFON Newsletter, Volume 1, #1. 'Article cut [i.. not published] from "The Circular" Volume 3, Number 3' (first publication of the Schnabel tape).
• November 15, 1992, Texas MUFON Newsletter, Volume 1, #1. 'Article cut from "The Circular" Volume 3, Number 3': "Subject of The Circular interview in this issue is Jim Schnabel. He has written several newspaper articles on the circles beginning with an item in the Washington Post last year which espoused the case of orthodox Meadenism. More recently he collaborated with Robert Irving to pro-duce a piece for the Independent Maga-zine in which it was implied that many of the major pictograms in the mid-Wiltshire area were hoaxed by the UBI group. Although UBI have faked a few minor formations (of which CCCS has full de-tails) suggestions of major hoaxing by them -- at, say, Alton Barnes -- are known to be untrue and this article can only be seen as part of Schnabel and Irving's campaign to make peoplc think that the pictograms are all hoaxes and promote the highly dubious claims of Doug Dave. Unlike Doug & Dave, Schnabel is an accomplished circlefaker and in July he came second in The Cerealogist's Circlemaking Competition at West Wycombe. Described then as the "Master of Grapeshot", he did not deny having had previous circlemaking experience. Ostensibly Schnabel is a student doing a post-graduate course in sociology at Bath University. Despite this his telephone number is on the Oxford exchange and his address in Bath (where Robert Irving lives) is secret. He usually gives his address as c/o Lincoln College, Oxford, although at the beginning of 1992 Lincoln College stated that Schnabel no longer had any connection with them. In the following candid interview Schnabel reveals his role as a paid disinformation agent working for an unnamed western intelligence organisation. From what he says one is made aware of the extent and determination of the continuing campaign to rubbish the circles and discredit the researchers. This campaign is but a continuation of the Doug & Dave scam with different faces, different players. The "interviewer" in this case is Armen Victorian, who has written for Thc Circu- lar previously and who introduces himself as Kasaba Ntumba. Unaware of Ntumba's true identity Schnabel gradually opens up to this apparently sympathaic caller. It is only fair to say that Schnabel now denies everything which is contained herein and telephoncd me some days later in a state of scarcely suppressed agitation to claim that he had just been "winding up" Victorian (whom he had never met or talked to, apart from a very brief intro- ductory phone call a short while before on the same day). Readers of The Circular will have to judge for themselves whether or not this is the case. One may justifiably ask why someone would ever reveal well-hidden secrets to a total stranger at such short notice. I can only say that Victorian has achieved simi- lar coups time and again in speaking by telephone to top intelligence officers in the U.S.A., in South Africa and in other countries and these people have frequently regretted what they have let slip. If Schnabel had been "winding up~ Victo- rian, it is inconceivable that he would then ring me up and come clean. Apart from anything else he never normally calls me, and of all the hoaxes I've known --not just circular ones--no hoaxer has ever once sprung forward saying "it's all a hoax, don't believe a word I just said!" Double bluff? Well, if you believe that, you'll believe anything ! The acid test, of course, is the tape re- cording itself rather than the transcript. Listen to this and, as with the recent "Dianagate" tapes, one soon discards the notion that the responses are contrived or false. It is to be regretted that inform- ation has been obtained in this way but in the face of a ruthless and sustained campaign to deceive the public and CCCS this is amply justified For people who scoff at the idea that intelligence agencies have any interest in the circles phenomenon, I can only say that when in Washington, D. C., last April I was taken specifically to meet four charm-ing gentlemen from the CIA who made no secret about their profession and also their interest in the circles and the UFO phenomenon. This is entirely consistent with the content of this intervicw. --Editor"
• March 15, 1993, Info-ParaNet Newsletters / Paranet Information Service, Armen Victorian (real name: Armenian orchid smuggler Henry Azadehdel; also known as Julian Philips, Allan Jones and Cassava N'tumba), 'Disinformers, Deceivers and Their Legitimate Supporters' (apparent newsletter): "The November 1992 issue of the MUFON Journal published an extraordinary account written by Jim Schnabel titled, Confessions of a Crop Circle Spy! introduced by Dennis Stacy, the MUFON Editor. ... I was utterly surprised that MUFON had decided to go ahead without checking the accuracy of Schnabel's material. I was later told that Walt Andrus had hiterto sanctioned the publication of the article. Andrus' interference in this instance was the result of a longstanding difference that exists between myself and his management of MUFON. ... MUFON's philosophy and attitude is reflective of how easily it acts as a mouthpiece, readily and in accordance with what is precisely the official line and has been for decades; deceit, dis-information and the high level publicity and support given to these accounts. Several State Directors of MUFON, that I have talked to, are also highly critical of the autocratic manner in which a few run the organisation. In one instance, in the course of our recent correspondence with Mr Stacy, the MUFON Editor, when he had faxed a ridiculous letter to Mr Wingfield he wrote back with the excuse that he was drunk when he wrote the letter, therefore apologising for its contents. Equally condemning is the attitude and supportive platform MUFON provides for self confessed tricksters like Jim Schnabel and Robert Irving, who boast about what they have done and still do. Which, in a sense, is very much reminiscent of what OSI did through Bill Moore, for a decade, to the field. But who are Jim Schnabel and Robert Irving and what did actually happen? It is known by everyone in crop circle research that Irving-Schnabel's joint covert activities have caused enormous damage to both the farmers, who are desperately seeking for legal means to prosecute the two, and the crop circle researchers themselves, whose research has suffered irreparable damage. ... During the period when his application was under Oxford's consideration, he made several contacts with leading crop circle researcehrs, with the excuse that he is trying to collect information for his Ph.D. thesis in Sociology. In reality he was neither a student nor was his applied subject in Lincoln College that of Sociology. Senior researchers believed that he was a genuine student and they trusted him and shared with him the results of some of their findings. Then Schnabel published the most damning article in the Independent Magazine in December 1991 about crop circles and their researchers, and his true quest emerged. ... Quite the contrary, this was the beginning of an intensified campaign of disinformation by Schnabel and his colleague Robert Irving. In the following months they published more similar articles. Together with Robert Irving, they donned camouflage clothing and, with the help of the night, they created utter havoc in the farmers fields and, thereby, further confusion amongst the crop circle researchers about the number of hoaxed formations in existence. Ken Brown, who is currently writing a book about the Doug and Dave affair, told me that several meetings had taken place between Schnabel/Irving and Doug and Dave, the former keen to further his knowledge on how to advance hoaxing techniques. ... Gill Freeman, the producer of the Equinox TV program, did tell me that Schnabel and Irving had admitted to faking several crop formations by illegally entering into farm land and thereby causing damage crops. Robert Irving, Schnabel's colleague, claims to be a photographer. He spends his entire time on the farm lands during the crop circle season each year. He lived in Los Angeles for eight years prior to returning to England. He was allegedly a member of the Second Church of Satan in the USA, or Friends of Hecarte [Friends of Hecate] in England, and his views on black magic are widely known in England through a number of anonymous Satanic letters he has written to a number of crop circle researchers. When he was questioned about who pays for him to spend his full time in the field, he answered, as he did to me, "Man does not live on bread alone. A foundation pays me handsomely for my work," but would not divulge the name of the foundation. He is also known for his provocative manner of taking photographs of everyone without seeking their consent as a matter of courtesy. He carries a very large knife with him at all times. In a letter from a couple of American crop cirlce researchers, they related the impression made upon them by Schnabel and Irving, during their visit to England: ... 'Suzie and I had left the Merlin Hotel, at 1.30am, to go and drive around for a bit. We ended up on a small dirt track, we parked the car and with camera in tow, walked along a footpath. After about 30 min., we saw lights in a field ahead of us. Thinking we had discovered some little green men at play, we hurriedly moved forward. Imagine our surprise, when we came face to face with four men, all dressed in black. Two of them, were rather burly characters wearing peaked caps. One was tall and thin and had long, dirty looking straggly hair. They were each carrying certain bits and pieces - the one with the hair had a video camera in his hand and a fancy looking camera hanging from his shoulder. We asked them what they were doing. One of them said, that they were taking a short cut through the field. But I didn't like the look of them at all. Suzie and I walked back to the car and availed ourselves of the black coffee that the hotel had provided. The men were ahead of us. Two of them got into a small van, the others into a dark coupe type of car. They then drove off. We did not think much about it until the following morning, when a guy at the hotel told us about a new crop circle at a place called Froxfield (?) When we went there, later that day, imagine our further surprise when it turned out to be the field we had visited the night before. I have no doubt that those guys were the makers of that circle. What is your feeling about this? That isn't the end of the story. We ended up at the Wagon and Horses for a drink. Just as we were finishing, a guy came in, with a big built American chap - who was brandishing a video camera. I was sure that it was two of the men that we had seen the night before. Out of curiosity, I started up a conversation about the corn circles. I wished I hadn't. The guy with the hair (dressed black) name was Bob (maybe Rob) Irvine (Bob Irving - author). He was a psychopath. Suzie wanted us to leave, because he was becoming very annoyed with my questions. I am of the opinion that this guy had something very wrong with him, in a psychological way. A nutter. I don't know whether this means anything to you but I would stay well away from this idiot, he seems dangerous to me. Have you heard of him? As to the crop circle, I hope no-one said it was genuine!!!' It was in the course of my telephone conversation with Jim Schnabel in August 30 and 31, 1992, when a clearer picture emerged. His use of certain worlds left no doubt in my mind about the length and the depth of the problem we were faced with. Some of the vocabulary he used is used only by Intelligence officers or their recruits. In the course of over two decades that I have been engaged as a researcher within Intelligence, only those who have had an intelligence or related career used terms such as Burnt out in the context of their conversations... How would a young student know about all these professional details of the espionage world, whilst none of his previous few articles were about the world of spooks? Perhaps one should not forget that Edward Hunter, a formidable CIA agent, also claimed to be a Journalist, as Jim Schnabel now claims. We are also aware that Jim Schnabel belongs to a Catholic far-right group. The result of the voice-stress analysis carried out by an official government body in the U.S. has proved beyond any shadow of doubt that he spoke the truth in his telephone conversations with me. Two further independent analyses have provided the same results. What is more hilarious is that Jim Schnabel is now investigating Budd Hopkins' latest abduction case, which was coined the case of the century by Dennis Stacy."
• January 1994, issue 25, Skeptics UFO Newsletter: "Dark White: Aliens, Abductions and the UFO Obsession, a new book authored by Jim Schnabel with the full cooperation of Budd Hopkins and his associates, will contain important new "inside information" on the Linda Napolitano UFO-abduction case. More than a year after Linda's alleged abduction on Nov. 30, 1989, Hopkins received a letter from "Dan" and "Rich" who claimed to be New York policemen, who reported they had witnessed Linda being beamed up to a hovering UFO. ... According to Linda, that VIP [who witnessed the event] was Javier Perez de Cuellar, who in late 1989 was Secretary General of the United Nations. His identity was first made public by SUN #17 (Sept. 1992)] Schnabel's MW book reveals that Hans-Adam von Liechtenstein, a member of that country's royal family and a good friend of Hopkins, is also a close friend of Javier Perez de Cuellar who bad recently been a guest in the Prince's home. This prompted von Liechtenstein to write de Cuellar to try to verify the incident. ... Perhaps the most startling revelation in the new book is that Hopkins believes--or at least suspects--that Perez de Cuellar was not simply an observer of Linda's abduction BUT THAT DE CUELLAR, "RICH" AND "DAN" ALSO WERE ABDUCTED THAT NIGHT BY THE SAME UFO! Linda reportedly learned this from "Dan" and "Rich," who said this was the reason why they had waited 15 months after watching her abduction before writing to Hopkins."
• Namebase.org/books41.html: "Schnabel, Jim. Remote Viewers: The Secret History of America's Psychic Spies. New York: Dell Publishing, 1997. 452 pages. This is a straightforward history of government interest in remote viewing, a paranormal experiment that the CIA began at the Standard Research Institute in 1972. Military intelligence started their own team at Fort Meade in 1977. Each program involved only a handful of people. When the CIA lost interest, a couple of generals (Edmund R. Thompson and Albert N. Stubblebine), congressmen (Claiborne Pell and Charlie Rose), and a powerful Senate staffer (Richard D'Amato) kept it alive under the Pentagon budget. It ran out of steam due to its own eccentricities, its enemies within the budgetary process, and the Republican victory in 1994."
• August 27, 1995, Jim Schnabel for The Independent, 'Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, PSI': "But the damage had been done. "Bert [Stubblebine] gave remote-viewing a bad name, because of all the other stuff he was involved in," says a former senior Pentagon official who knew him. And although the unit never left its offices at Fort Meade, by 1986 it had been expelled from the Army. It still had its supporters, notably Jack Vorona, chief of the DIA's science and technology directorate, who had since 1978 been the overall head of the remote-viewing programme. The DIA took the Fort Meade unit under its wing, the project was renamed Center Lane, and later, Sun Streak, and Vorona now exerted more direct control of the Fort Meade unit. For the remote-viewers, this was a fortunate development. Vorona was a man who was widely respected throughout the intelligence community, and with him watching over it, the unit seemed safe from outside threats. But what of inside threats? Although Stubblebine was gone, his spirit lingered, and in the mid and late 1980s, the unit seemed to take on a garish tinge. In its first few years under DIA management, the unit included the "witches", two women called Angela Dellafiora and Robin Dahlgren. Dellafiora eschewed remote-viewing and instead "channelled" her psychic data through a group of entities with names like "Maurice" and "George". Dahlgren practiced tarot-card reading. ... Following the Irangate scandal of 1987, Defense Secretary Frank Carlucci had instituted a wide-ranging review of potentially embarrassing Pentagon programs, and in 1988, a Defense Department Inspector General's (IG) team descended on the remote-viewing unit's offices, demanding to see the files. ... What the IG team finally reported is unclear, but Fort Meade's contacts with operational intelligence consumers were curtailed, and recruiting of new remote-viewers was suspended. The unit received a further blow when its protector Jack Vorona retired from the DIA at the end of 1989. The SRI remote-viewing programme also died that year, was resurrected briefly at another think-tank, Scientific Applications International Corporation [SAIC], and then died again in 1994. The Russian programme is rumoured to have met a similar fate, now that the winds of the Cold War have abated."
  
  August 27, 1995, The Independent, 'Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, PSI': "Back in the Sixties, the Soviet Union began to pour money and resources into the study of ESP and psychokinesis, phenomena collectively termed "psi" by researchers in the field. Much of this psi research came under the control of the Soviet military and KGB, and by the early Seventies, US intelligence analysts - formerly concerned about a possible "missile gap" - were beginning to grow anxious about a "psi gap". ... In telepathy experiments, they decapitated baby rabbits and electrocuted kittens to see if the trauma registered simultaneously in the brain wave patterns of their mothers in distant rooms. They screened Red Army recruits for psychic abilities, and pumped talented subjects full of dangerous drugs to promote psi-conducive altered states. Subjects in psychokinesis or "remote-influencing" experiments tried to stop the hearts of small animals, or concentrated on foreign political leaders, beaming at them "negative psi particles". Soviet and Czech scientists were said to be working on electromagnetic devices that would cause strokes or heart attacks, and it was even rumoured that they had perfected a "psychotronic generator", which could scramble people's minds at great distances. All this was enough to spur the intelligence community into action and, as well as increasing their scrutiny of Soviet and East European work in this field, the CIA and the Pentagon began overtly and covertly to fund psi research in the US. The best-known beneficiary of this funding was Stanford Research Institute (SRI), a respected, University-affiliated think-tank in Menlo Park, California. The head of the SRI psi research programme was a young laser engineer named Hal Puthoff. ... All this was enough to spur the intelligence community into action and, as well as increasing their scrutiny of Soviet and East European work in this field, the CIA and the Pentagon began overtly and covertly to fund psi research in the US. The best-known beneficiary of this funding was Stanford Research Institute (SRI), a respected, University-affiliated think-tank in Menlo Park, California. The head of the SRI psi research programme was a young laser engineer named Hal Puthoff. ... Curious about the possible relationship between psi and quantum mechanics, he began doing experiments with a noted psychic, a New York artist by the name of Ingo Swann. After circulating reports on these experiments, Puthoff was visited at SRI by various intelligence officials who expressed interest in funding further research. He received an initial grant of $50,000 in late 1972; his government funders, he says, "wanted to know if there was anything to this stuff." Although he won't say so, the funds came from the CIA. ... The claims of the remote-viewers [scam artists extraordinaire, at least when later on Coast to Coast AM] initially met with scepticism from their CIA sponsors, but as stories spread of astounding successes, support grew throughout the intelligence community. The first such success took place in early June 1973, when a retired local politician and SRI remote-viewer named Pat Price appeared psychically to "visit" a sensitive National Security Agency facility on the East Coast and sparked an investigation by enraged NSA officials. Price's verbal and graphic descriptions of the site were particularly detailed, and included an overhead view, the layout of underground offices, and even Top Secret code-word labels on file folders. "He nailed it," remembers a former senior CIA official familiar with the episode. "From that moment on, there was no trouble getting anyone to take it [SRI's remote-viewing programme] seriously." ...By the late 1970s, a stable of remote-viewers had been set up at SRI, doing both experimental and operational work for government clients. Government interest was so extensive that the various agencies involved pooled their resources into one programme, managed by the Defense Intelligence Agency. The programme was code-named "Grill Flame". During 1978, also under Grill Flame, the Army's Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM) set up its own unit of military remote-viewers at Fort Meade, Maryland. Major General Edmund Thompson, then the Army's Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence, had encouraged the unit's establishment. "I became convinced that remote-viewing was a real phenomenon, that it wasn't a hoax," he remembers. "We didn't know how to explain it, but we weren't so much interested in explaining it as in determining whether there was any practical use to it." There was, though the techniques were refined as time went by. Members of the dozen-strong Fort Meade unit, for instance, used relatively deep altered-state methods of remote-viewing, collectively known as "extended remote-viewing", or ERV. In an ERV session, the viewer would lie on a couch in a darkened room, descend into a self- hypnotic trance, and vocally describe the images and other impressions that came into his or her mind. By the early Eighties, Ingo Swann at SRI had developed what he claimed was a superior co-ordinate-based remote-viewing technique, or CRV. An ordinary, intelligent person trained in the technique could, he said, be a more effective practitioner than the best natural psychic. With CRV, the viewer went through a highly-structured set of verbalisation and sketching procedures. Although usually in an almost-normal state of consciousness, the CRVer would occasionally report a brief but unnerv-ingly vivid "bilocation", a sensation that he or she was actually present at the target site. Swann taught the technique to five new recruits to the Fort Meade unit. ... Even bigger fish were fried. According to several former remote-viewers, as well as officials familiar with the programme, America's psychic spies were used to gather information on: key facilities in Tehran during the 1979-81 hostage crisis; terrorists and Western hostages in the Middle East; the location of Manuel Noriega during the US raid on Panama in 1989; and, of course, the location of Muammar Gaddafi prior to the 1986 bombing raid on Libya. Other targets over the years included nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons facilities in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe; Silkworm missiles along the Persian Gulf during the Iran-Iraq war; drug- smuggling ships approaching US coasts; and the locations of Scud missiles during Desert Storm. Remote-viewers weren't always successful, and their findings were often used only to help direct more mundane intelligence-gathering systems. But they enjoyed powerful support in Washington, and their budgets continued, year after year. "It was so small, and so closely-held," remembers General Thompson,"that it wasn't a big controversy." A number of congressmen who were prepared to believe in remote-viewing were "read on" to the programme, and became staunch supporters. These included Rhode Island Senator Claiborne Pell and North Carolina Representative Charlie Rose, who told an interviewer in 1979 that "if the Russians have remote-viewing, and we don't, we're in trouble." "I've briefed senators in their offices," says a retired Army officer who was a member of the unit during the Eighties. "And I know that Bush [as Vice-President and a member of Reagan's National Security Council] read some of our reports... He might have said, `They're doing what! That's the craziest thing I've ever heard!' The fact that he didn't say that tells you something.""
• August 27, 1995, Jim Schnabelfor The Independent, 'Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, PSI': "Bert Stubblebine - Major-General Albert N. Stubblebine III - became head of INSCOM (the Army's Intelligence and Security Command) in 1981, the year that General Thompson (who as Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence co-managed the Army's spy network) departed for another posting. With Thompson gone, Stubblebine was remote-viewing's chief supporter in the Army. Stubblebine had a reputation as a lateral thinker, creative and unafraid to take risks. Concerned about hidebound thinking among his INSCOM staff officers, he would hold psychokinetic "spoon-bending" sessions with them, just to shake up their world views. There were also "neuro-linguistic programming" sessions for marksmen, and charisma-building courses for generals, making use of "firewalks" and the wisdom of self-help gurus. Stubblebine himself liked to engage in remote-viewing sessions. Any of these exercises might have been defensible, in the proper context, but as time went on, the perception grew that the general had become obsessed by the paranormal and esoteric, above and beyond any military justification. He had embarked on some kind of spiritual journey, and it seemed that he was trying to take the Army with him. Stubblebine's journey eventually took him to the Monroe Institute, a privately-owned centre for investigation into the paranormal near Charlottesville, Virginia. At the Monroe Institute, an audio process known as "hemi-sync" was used to help induce deep altered states, which led in some cases to so-called out-of-body experiences. Stubblebine began to send his INSCOM staff officers there. And ripples of annoyance began to spread. "You wear your pyjamas around every morning and hug each other," says Skip Atwater, who is now the research director at Monroe. "You can't have that in a military setting." Stubblebine's own frequent trips to Monroe gave rise to more serious concerns among some of his superiors at the Pentagon, whom he was obliged to brief regularly on INSCOM operations. "He had 30,000 men and women out in the field," remembers Ed Dames, a former Army major and remote- viewer, "and instead of talking about all his units and field stations and things like that, he would spend half the time in these briefings talking about the significance of the yellow salamander that had walked across the road when he was down at the Monroe Institute." Stubblebine had other problems, including a financial corruption scandal involving some of his covert-action squads. But according to former colleagues, the fatal blow to his career came in 1983 when an INSCOM staff officer, Lieutenant Doug P-, visited the Monroe Institute for the hemi-sync treatment. Shortly after he had started the process, Lt P- emerged from his darkened room and began to wander through the Monroe hallways, naked and incoherent. "He was taken away literally in a straightjacket," says Dames. "He had some stability problems even before he got here," notes Atwater. "There are thousands of people who come through the Institute and don't have psychotic breaks." Lt P- recovered, and remains on active duty, but Stubblebine retired from the Army in 1984 to become an executive at BDM Corporation, a Washington- area defence and intelligence contractor. He left BDM a few years ago, and now lives in New York, where he is married to Rima Laibow, a controversial psychiatrist who has claimed that she is a UFO abduction victim."
• June 2010, Fortean Times, 'Paranormal Soldier: John Alexander From Special Services to spoon-benders and UFOs': "JIM SCHNABEL: How did you end up getting the job at INSCOM? JOHN ALEXANDER: One day, I spoke at a big civilian conference in the Washington area on various psi phenomena. It turned out that a friend of the woman who had organised the conference was the wife of Richard Stillwell, a retired four-star general who was then an undersecretary of defence. She convinced her husband to talk to me, and soon I was called to have a meeting with him. It was a one-on-one meeting, a free ranging thing, and he asked me what sort of work I was doing and so on. Turned out he had plans for me, so I was taken out of IG and a short time later ended up at INSCOM under Major General Stubblebine. JS: What was your job description at INSCOM? JA: We created a position: Chief of Advanced Human Technology."

Dan Smith

Appearance(s) on Coast to Coast AM: December 26, 2010.

• In the early 1990s a director of the Center for North American Crop Circle Studies, together with Rosemary Ellen Guiley (much more info here). Both worked closely with CIA scientists and Aviary members Christopher Green and Ron Pandolfi. They also took the side of crop circle hoaxers Jim Schnabel and Rob Irving in 1992 and reportedly received funding from Laurance Rockefeller that same year to have PSI TECH conduct a crop circle remote viewing study.
• Nov-Dec 1993, Close Encounters Research Network (CERN), Vince Johnson, 'The Aviary, the Aquarium, and Eschatology': "I quoted Dan Smith's statement to the effect that "the best place to find fellow eschatologists was in the intelligence agencies," to which Pelican [Ron Pandolfi] responded "he didn't find any here" at CIA. I inquired about the status of psychotronic weapons research. Pelican was dismissive of the entire subject, calling it "modern-day shamanism." He also stated that psychotronics is only taken seriously in countries like Russia and China that do not have the rigorous peer-reviewed scientific establishment such as in the U.S. I raised the subject of Psi Tech, and Ed Dames' risking his company's reputation on his prediction of an overt alien contact in the Chaco Canyon area by the end of August '93. "What reputation? It's a joke... the only paying customer Psi Tech has ever had was Dan Smith himself, who gave Psi Tech $3,000 to remote view a crop circle being made," Pelican responded. I asked about the high-level personnel on Psi Tech's board of directors like Stubblebine and Alexander. Pelican was dismissive of Stubblebine, recounting that Stubblebine's nick-name was "General Spoonbender," due to his belief in psychic phenomena. Pelican holds Alexander in considerably higher regard, however, stating, "he's a friend of mine." Next, I asked about the Aviary. According to Pelican, the Aviary is nothing more than the product of the somewhat-deranged mind of "Falcon," retired Air Force Captain Robert Collins, who worked in Foreign Technology Assessment in regards to missile technology – not AFOSI as is widely believed. Pelican said that Collins was discharged from the Air Force after breaching the security perimeter at the Manzano nuclear weapons storage facility at Kirtland AFB. When taken into custody by base security, Collins told them he was there "to meet the President." He was discharged shortly thereafter (Dan says that this incident was orchestrated by Bill Moore, with the hapless Collins left twisting in the wind). Soon after his discharge, Collins began mailing letters "...with my real name and address on the outside, and my codename on the inside," said Pelican, who considered these mailings such a hoot that he posted them on his office wall for the entertainment of his CIA colleagues."
• December 26, 2010, Coast to Coast AM show, summary: "In the latter half, Dan Smith, who has received inside information regarding UFOs and ETs from an intelligence officer, was joined by futurist Gary Bekkum to discuss this alleged secret knowledge. The intelligence officer was named as Ron Pandolfi, who some have referred to as the real life Fox Mulder. A UFO/ET "core story" espoused by members of the "Aviary" such as Rick Doty suggested there was a sequence of three primary ET visitors-- the ambassador, the technician, and the historian, and these visitors had been met by various government officials, Smith recounted. The UFO cover-up, he continued, is related to a disturbing message from the ETs, which according to his interpretation is that they are a harbinger of "End Times." Smith announced that he is an active poster on the Open Minds Forum. Bekkum shared interesting details about military psychic research such as the Stargate Project, in which a number of viewers seemed to foresee the 9-11 attacks as far back as the 1980s."
• June 2, 1982, New York Times, 'Dan Smith dies -- Tax policy expert': "Dan Throop Smith, one of the nation's leading tax experts and the principal architect of the present Internal Revenue Code, died Saturday at Stanford University Medical Center in Stanford, Calif. He was 74 years old. Professor Smith was a senior research fellow at the Hoover Institute at Stanford, a position he held since 1968. He held high positions in both the Eisenhower and Nixon Administrations, serving at one time as a special assistant to the Secretary of the Treasury in charge of tax policy. ... Professor Smith belonged to an elite group of economists who switched back and forth from top academic positions at Harvard, Stanford and other major universities to policy-making positions in Government. He was generally regarded as a conservative economist. When he first arrived in Washington in 1953 to take a Treasury Department position in the Eisenhower Administration, Professor Smith told an interviewer, ''I'm a professor all right. But I was always violently anti-New Deal.'' "
• Dan Throop Smith papers summary file: "Correspondence, alphabetical, 1960-1982: ... Rockefeller, David, 1964; ... Simon, William E., 1976; ... Bechtel Corporation, 1978; ... Bergsten, C. Fred, 1979; ... Ford, Gerald R., 1978; Friedman, Milton, 1977; ... Weinberger, Caspar, 1981-1982; ... Reagan, Ronald, 1978-1979.."
• July 14, 2004 entry of Dan T. Smith at his personal page bestpossibleworld.com/ nexu52.htm: "Perhaps I was more accurately a Menzel baby. But then this takes us back to 1943 and the rocket baby or moonchild. My father and I share a birthday, Nov. 20. JPL and I share a birth date, 11/20/43, according to their website. And we share the patronage of Amos Throop, as in Throop Polytechnic Institute, now Caltech. JPL co-founder, Jack Parsons, had more than rockets on his mind. He and L. Ron Hubbard were intent upon producing the Moonchild under the personal tutelage of Aleister Crowley. My father taught at the Harvard Business School, which during the War became the Air Force's Statistical School, which in turn gave rise to the Whiz Kids. Dan, Sr. became involved in the planning for D-day, and served on the Academic Steering Committee opposite the Astronomer, Donald Menzel. In 1943, Dr. Menzel raised the prospect of preparing the University for its return to peacetime. My father knowing that VE day was still at least two years off, felt that this would be premature, but, of course, he could not apprise Donald of his proprietary logistical knowledge. Nor, as it turned out later, could Donald apprise the committee of his knowledge of the Manhattan project which was scheduled to cut short the war in the Pacific. My father was duly impressed by the ascendancy of astrophysics. My bedtime stories c. 1950 became the Harvard Astronomy Book Series, edited by Donald. One of the first of which was Donald's slim leather-bound volume on Flying Saucers. I remember being impressed by the juxtaposition of two photos: lights in the sky, and stick appearing bent in a glass of water due to refraction. Clearly the great scientist had outsmarted the LGMs. Is it an accident that Donald is the one scientist listed in the MJ-12 documents, brought forward probably through Rick Doty? It is known that he participated in the tracking of UFOs for Navy Intelligence in the Pacific. His laughably crude debunking of flying saucers would send two very different messages, depending on the state of one's knowledge of phenomenology. The subtext is that phenomenology is taboo for science. Phenomenology was to be pursued on another track. That may be the track that has now devolved into the R&D business. Another long-time associate of my Dad's was Laurance Rockefeller, who was briefed at the White House in 1993 by Ron concerning his long standing interest in these matters. Laurance died this past Sunday."
• November 23, 2002 entry of Dan T. Smith at his personal page bestpossibleworld.com/ nexu28.htm: "Speaking of Ron, I can't help but notice the breaking news this morning: [FBI uncovering that Bandar Bush's wife had ties to 9/11 terrorist handler in the United States.] ... I had a series of rather interesting communications with Ron between Sept.1st and 16th of 2001, including extended meetings on each of the specified days. The general nature of these interactions led me, in accordance with my long established 'Chicken Little' protocol, to, subsequently and publicly, raise the issue of prior knowledge."
• July 14, 2004 entry of Dan T. Smith at his personal page bestpossibleworld.com/ nexu52.htm: "On 9/1/01 Ron [Pandolfi] calls for an urgent meeting of the Aquarium to be held at the zoo on 9/16. And it comes off, right on schedule. And then there is Deborah on the tarmac at Logan at 8am on the day in question. It does seem that someone is dabbling in more than just politics. At what point does mere conspiracy morph into choreography? How may they overlap? And who is the Choreographer? ... [July 13:] The abortive reactivation of the AQUARIUM around..."
• January 5, 2011, Dan T. Smith at realityuncovered.net forum: "I picked up R&A at the boat and brought them back to Va. On the way back, Ron played a message from Gordon [Novel] where he complained about my being disloyal to Ron concerning the 9/11 allegation on C2C. Ron stated that we had agreed that I would read a prepared statement at the beginning of the show. I have made mention of this suggestion on this blog, more than once in the past year. But I had also stated emphatically that I was uncomfortable with it. Ron now denies that the FBI has ever called him, concerning these allegations, contradicting what I have stated many times, since. He did spend about half an hour reviewing the events of 9/11, from his personal perspective......... You'll recall that he claimed, in his 10:30am call to me, that he was the last person in an evacuated building, and was watching the smoke rise over the Pentagon. This claim always seemed somewhat contradictory to me, but I made no great effort to surmise any more detail, and it never occurred to me that it might be the Langley/McLean HQ [CIA]. Too far to where the smoke was, and very unlikely to be so evacuated. True on the first count, wrong on the second! While Ron was on the phone with me, he could hear other phones ringing nearby, but did not attempt to run to answer them. One of them might have been the President calling from AF One, to activate an emergency counter-terrorist task force. Not long after he got off the phone with me, a call did come through on his phone from the WH [White House]. The person identified himself as the director of the WH situation room. Neither one knew the other. The Director asked him to identify himself. Ron gave his position on the NIC [CIA's National Intelligence Council], working for [General] Landry under [deputy CIA director John] Gannon who came under [CIA director George] Tennet, at that time. The director asked what he was doing. Ron said that he refrained from telling him that he had just gotten off the phone with the CIA's eschatologist [Dan Smith, a consultant to Pandolfi], and said that he was by himself in the CIA situation room, watching the gov't monitors, thus the smoke that he reported to me. The WH director asked him to relay the President's instructions to Tennet. It happened that Ron was sometimes driven by Tennet's driver, and had his cellphone number. This was the only line of communication between the POTUS and his Intelligence Director, on that crucial day. All the reassuring stories we hear about the Continuity of Government...... well, there it was, sports fans! Who was actually running the gov't, at that point?"
• August 30, 2011, Gary S. Bekkum on Colin Andrews' site, 'Is CIA Crashing the White House UFO Disclosure Party?': "According to Smith, his sister, a friend of Nancy Bush Ellis, spoke with the former CIA Director and U.S. President George H. W. Bush by phone from a plane shortly after leaving Logan International within minutes of the hijacked 9/11 flights. Days before 9/11, Smith says he was invited to a meeting with his friend from the CIA [Pandolfi]. ... About ten years ago, Smith exposed his trump card: Dr. Ronald S. Pandolfi, who, according to numerous accounts in the New York Times and the Congressional Research Service, was a high level CIA analyst tasked against U.S. corporations offering technology assistance to China's rocket program in the 1990s. Based upon the Pulitzer award winning account in the New York Times, Pandolfi worked out of the National Intelligence Council, writing National Intelligence Estimates (NIE) for the President of the United States. Mr. Smith suggests that Dr. Pandolfi is more than an analyst: according to Smith, he is involved with CIA and DIA operations, not only science and technology. Pandolfi's most recent official public action involved tasking the elite JASON scientific advisory committee on an obscure pseudo-scientific cooperative effort between American and Chinese researchers. A few years ago Pandolfi and Smith were at the center of a strange Internet fiasco intended to associate John Gannon [CIA deputy director for intelligence (DDI); chair CIA NIC; CIA assistant director for Analysis and Production; headed the White House team in the Department of Homeland Security Transition Planning office; vice president for global analysis, BAE-IT,], former CIA man (and head of the National Intelligence Council) who helped in the creation of Homeland Security, with the reverse engineering of "UFO" technology. ... In the summer of 2009, Smith claimed Pandolfi was acting as an Intelligence Community liaison to the White House. When I informed Pandolfi of Smith's intention to show up at the White House gate, he quickly arranged to meet privately with Smith at another location in the Washington, D.C. area. Later Smith reported Pandolfi had left the White House position over excessive politics in the Obama administration. ... Pandolfi, and his former mentor at CIA, Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green, have been widely exposed by the Internet as the "keepers of the weird" -- the government's real life X-files -- a carefully guarded "phenomenology problem" that confounds the experts in the Intelligence Community."
• June 3, 2002, Richard E. Blahut et al, University of Illinois and AFOSR/NM study, 'Final Report: Design and Optimization of Passive and Active Imaging Radar', p. 23: "Beginning in September, 2000, Aaron Lanterman served on a Scientific Advisory Panel on Passive Coherent Location (PCL) systems. The panel, organized through The MITRE Co., was sponsored by Dr. Ron Pandolfi of the National Intelligence Council (NIC), and reported to Maj. Gen. John Landry (Ret,), the National Intelligence Officer for Conventional Military Issues. The final briefing to Gen. Landry took place on April 3-4, 2001, in McLean, VA. Other panel members in- cluded Nick Willis, Dick Lodwig, Scott Kordella (MITRE), David Barton (formerly with Raytheon), Al Bernard (Lincoln Labs), and John Sahr (Univ. of Washington)."
• fas.org/irp/agency/dod/jason/gravwaves.pdf: "Report date (dd-mm-yyyy): October 2008. Title and subtitle: High Frequency Gravitational Waves. Performing organization name(s) and address(es): The MITRE Corporation JASON Program Office. ... JASON was asked by staff at the National MASINT Committee of ODNI to evaluate the scientific, technological, and national security significance of high frequency gravitational waves (HFGW). ... Name of responsible person: Dr. Ronald Pandolfi..."
• January 18, 2010, Gary S. Bekkum on Colin Andrews' site, 'Is Ron Pandolfi the CIA's "Real-life X-files" Fox Mulder?': "Dan Smith's claim to fame includes his father, Dan Throop Smith, "a renowned Harvard economist who had served as the Treasury Department's top tax adviser during the Eisenhower administration" according to the Washington Post, and his older sister, Deborah, a friend of President George H. W. Bush (according to the White House, as reported in another Washington Post story)."
• Grant Cameron for his Presidential UFO website, George W. Bush section, 'The Briefing of the New President': "Many UFOlogists were aware of the efforts by Laurance Rockefeller to brief President Clinton in an effort to bring a disclosure of long held UFO secrets. When it came time for a new President to take office, some of these UFOlogists made plans to brief the new President. They hoped to avoid the mistakes that had been made in the efforts to get UFO disclosure adopted by the Clinton administration. One group who began discussions about what lobbying efforts should be made included Ronald Pandolfi, the scientist who had acted as CIA liaison to the Clinton White. Pandolfi had been invited to a supper meeting with Dan Smith, Joseph Stefula, and Gus Russo, despite his reservations about briefing Presidents on the subject of UFOs. Pandolfi felt that "the various intelligence agencies are in no way bound to cater merely to official curiosity," and that if the CIA Director makes a determination that the President shouldn't know, then "indeed the President does not have a need to know. Period." The group met in mid- November 2000, just after the election, and during the time of uncertainty in the Florida voting recounts. The participants were invited by Joe Stefula, a New Jersey UFOlogists, who had previously met and corresponded with the CIA UFO expert Pandolfi. Gus Russo was a journalist/author/experiencer who has attended two previous meetings with Dr. Pandolfi. Dan Smith was also a friend of Pandolfi, who had been used by Pandolfi to leak UFO information into the research community. The plan for the briefing was to go through Nancy Bush Ellis, the sister of George Bush Sr., who was a neighbor of Dan Smith's sister. While attending Yale University a young George W. Bush had spent a lot of time with the nearby Ellis family. The plan to brief President-elect Bush failed. Dan Smith's sister would have nothing to do with the idea, and Pandolfi refused to cooperate, because according to Dan Smith, he did not want to "rock the boat." Despite this setback, this author was told in November 2001, that Dan Smith still planned to brief President Bush."
• 2001, Patrick Huyghe, 'Would Someone Please Tell the President?': "Rockefeller and Jones wanted to get UFO disclosure on the president's agenda. To accomplish this goal Rockefeller employed Washington lawyer Melvin Laird, who had been the Secretary of Defense for Richard Nixon in the early 1970s, to approach then Secretary of Defense Les Aspin. Laird did so and Aspin in turn tossed the ball to the White House science advisor, John "Jack" Gibbons. Gibbons, who claimed not to know a thing about UFOs, then asked the CIA White House liaison for information on the subject. That led to Ron Pandolfi, apparently the CIA's real X-Files man. But Pandolfi didn't have someone within the agency prepare the UFO briefing paper. Instead he turned to Navy physicist and UFO buff Bruce Maccabee for the task. And that's just what Maccabee did in April of 1993. Pandolfi provides some insight into how all this came about in an email posted on physicist Jack Sarfatti's stardrive.org site on the internet. "I had one and only one conversation with Jack [Gibbons] on the issue of UFOs," writes Pandolfi. "Jack was concerned with how to respond to requests from Rockefeller. Jack asked why in the world someone like Rockefeller would believe such nonsense. My response was that only a fellow believer could answer such a question. I offered to ask Bruce to respond, and Jack accepted. The entire conversation lasted about 30 seconds. I called Bruce and he agreed to work that evening on a briefing book. Bruce delivered the briefing book to Jack the following morning before his meeting with Rockefeller. My understanding is that Jack gave the briefing book to Rockefeller. I have no reason to believe Jack read the briefing book or made a copy." ... Some believe the real briefing for Gibbons was conducted by Christopher "Kit" Green, a General Motors executive formerly of the CIA with an interest in such matters, but Green denies ever briefing the president himself on UFOs. On this subject Pandolfi comments: "Kit mentioned several short UFO-related conversations he had with Jack [Gibbons] during breaks in meetings on completely unrelated subjects. You can call these ‘mini-briefings' if you want, but as I recall it was just Jack expressing frustration with how to avoid confrontation with Rockefeller on what Jack perceived to be a non-issue." The pressure from below continued on those above in September of 1993 when John Peterson, a futurist who runs the Arlington Institute, a beltway think tank for the military, presented James Woolsey, a friend of his who was then director of the CIA, with a package of heavily sanitized CIA documents on UFOs that UFOlogist and nuclear physicist Stanton T. Friedman likes to brandish about during his UFO lectures. Peterson, whose book Out of the Blue discusses the potentially huge impact of human contact with extraterrestrial intelligence, wanted to know why the documents were so heavily sanitized and Woolsey agreed to look into the matter. Then on December 13, 1993 Steven Greer, an emergency room physician in North Carolina and avid UFO believer who runs a UFO organization called CSETI, and his wife flew to Washington D.C. to have dinner with then CIA director James Woolsey and his wife, who was then the Chief Operating Officer of the National Academy of Sciences. ... For this reason [the bad relationship between Clinton and Woolsey], I wonder if Woolsey ever really discussed UFOs with Clinton, despite rumors to the contrary on the internet. The mysterious Dan Smith recounts the following story: "Ron [Pandolfi] and I are driving back from Front Royal after my briefing a special forces Colonel, a devout Catholic, on UFOs, eschatons and messiahs, with Ron observing. So I ask Ron about briefing the next President. And he said that if George W. [Bush] wanted a briefing he could just ask his dad about it. Ok, and what would his dad tell him, Ron? Well, his dad could tell him that he had tasked Jim Woolsey [CIA director until Januray 1995!] to find out and get back to him. Oh, really! And what was the result, Ron? Well, Jim [Woolsey] came back and told the President that he just didn't need to know." Smith then mentions a subsequent get-together with Pandolfi: "The point of the dinner meeting was to see if Ron would confirm or not deny his original statement to me that Woolsey had told Pres. Bush that he did not have a need to know about the ‘visitor' situation. If he would not deny it, [documentary producer] Gus Russo was prepared to take the story to [New York Times investigative reporter] Sy Hersh. Ron did deny it...""
• January 18, 2010, Gary S. Bekkum on Colin Andrews' site, 'Is Ron Pandolfi the CIA's "Real-life X-files" Fox Mulder?': "One man, and one man alone appears to occupy the best possible position to probe into the facts, fantasies, and fallacies behind the real-life "X-files" of UFOs, alien visitors, spies, lies, and polygraph tape. ... By 1999, Pandolfi, already known for his involvement with controversial official investigations of the CIA, was receiving attention for his interest in alternative topics, like UFOs. According to UFO investigator Grant Cameron, Pandolfi had been busy working behind the scenes, several years before the Hughes affair, to arrange the creation of a UFO briefing document for President Clinton's Science Advisor Jack Gibbons. A few years before being called to testify in the closed Senate intelligence hearings, Pandolfi received a call from a foreign national using the alias "Dr. Armen Victorian." During a lengthy phone conversation "Dr. Victorian" grilled Pandolfi on his involvement with the official weirdness that had transpired at the DIA in the mid-1980s. ... About this same time, Pandolfi struck up a friendship with Dan Smith, who had been busy investigating crop circles with paranormal expert Rosemary Ellen Guiley. Dan Smith's claim to fame includes his father, Dan Throop Smith, "a renowned Harvard economist who had served as the Treasury Department's top tax adviser during the Eisenhower administration" according to the Washington Post, and his older sister, Deborah, a friend of President George H. W. Bush (according to the White House, as reported in another Washington Post story). My first direct contact from Ron Pandolfi arrived unsolicited by email on September 30th, 2000. Dan Smith had been involved in a hot discussion with a private email discussion group. Smith was trying to convince the group that his interactions with Pandolfi were evidence of CIA's interest in all things paranormal. Smith's contribution to conspiracy paranoia was summed up in a not-too-well-disguised reference to the alleged MAJESTIC MJ-12 government UFO cabal: "Also it appears that Ron wants me to be a bus driver. He wants me to obtain a bus and paint it to look like an 'official' MTA bus, and go around the city picking up passengers at the bus stops, but instead of delivering them to their usual destinations, I will take them on an eschatological tour. When I told Ron that might be construed as being illegal, he did not seem perturbed." ... The elusive Pandolfi responded to the entire list: "Is it a ferret or a weasel that Dan will be adopting for the avian birthday?..." Eschatology is the study of the final events, destiny and fate of the human race. The "avian" birthday probably refers to a legendary group of past and present government intelligence persons who had been assigned bird names to conceal their identities as part of a 1980s UFO cover-up investigation. ... Smith claimed his friend at CIA had prior knowledge of the events of September 11th, 2001. "I understand that you have gone to the FBI with this information?" I asked. "Correct. On about 9/19/01 I met with a female agent right outside the Baltimore FBI office and gave her my and Ron's particulars and a synopsis of what had transpired between us in the previous two weeks. She took notes and said they would handle it. They would have already been aware of my being part of Ron's special domestic collection effort. On that same day I also contacted Chris Straub, former ranking member on the Senate Select Intelligence Committee, with whom Ron and I had previously met.""

Nancy Talbott

Appearance(s) on Coast to Coast AM: July 23, 1999; January 17, 2015. Her mentor, W.C. Levengood, has never appeared.

• Has appeared more often on Rense. For example: February 17, 2004; March 11, 2004 ("X-Ray Diffraction Tests Of Crop Circle Soil"); May 10, 2004 ("World Exclusive Photo Of Tall Grey?").
• Part of BLT Foundation, which stands for Burk, Levengood, Talbott. bltresearch.com/history.php: "In December, 1990, Michigan biophysicist Wm.C. Levengood contacted Pat Delgado (one of the very early British crop circle investigators), expressing an interest in examining plants taken from crop circles (samples) and comparing them with plants taken elsewhere in the same fields (controls). Mr. Delgado began shipping crop circle plant samples and controls from various British crop formations to Levengood's Michigan laboratory and, almost immediately, Levengood began observing anomalies in the circle plants: the seeds from many of the crop circle plants were visibly smaller than the controls, and weighed less -- in one case, although the seed-head and glumes appeared basically normal externally, when the glumes (tissue surrounding each seed) were opened they were found to be devoid of seeds altogether. This was a highly unusual finding in a wheat crop planted for commercial harvest. ... At this early stage of investigation Levengood pursued various experimental evaluations, some of which were non-productive, others of which began to form the basis of a consistent description of characteristic changes in crop circle plants. He had begun to document abnormal enlargement of the growth nodes in the circle plant stems, and seed-germination studies were revealing clear alterations in the normal development of the seedling embryos, indicating interference in the reproductive capacity of the circle plants. It was obvious that something unusual was affecting these crop circle plants -- the question, of course, was what? By 1992 John Burke, a New York businessman with a strong avocational interest in geomagnetic and electromagnetic theory, and Nancy Talbott, a music producer with a research background at the University of Maryland and at Harvard College, had both become interested in the crop circle phenomenon and had contacted Levengood about his crop circle research. Excited by the early laboratory results and Levengood's conviction that something highly unusual was taking place in the crop fields, Burke and Talbott were interested in assisting the research effort and an informal collaboration -- the "BLT" (Burke, Levengood, Talbott) Research Team began to take shape."
• U.S.-based crop circle fomation researchers, with a particular focus changes in the affected plants and soil.
• March 2004, bltresearch.com/xrd.php, 'Clay-mineral crystallization study': "In 1999 New York philanthropist Laurance S. Rockefeller provided BLT Inc. with the funds needed to implement this in-depth XRD examination of expandable clay minerals (illites/smectites) in crop circle soils."
• November 29, 2013, Podcast UFO, interview with Nancy Talbott (greatly opposed by Colin Andrews): "Toward the end of that time period, Laurance Rockefeller contacted me because he had heard about our papers and he wanted to be brought up to date. So I went to New York and I gave him an overview of the work we had done, what we had found so far, and he offered to fund some more work. I wrote up some proposals and he picked one in particular. ... We've never had the money to do the entire study again. That study was 120,000 bucks."
• November 29, 2013, Podcast UFO, interview with Nancy Talbott (greatly opposed by Colin Andrews): "I wrote up some proposals and [Laurance Rockefeller] picked one in particular. That is this clay mineral X-ray to fraction study that we then carried out. In this study, it's the most comprehensive and the most complete work that anybody has so far on the scientific aspect on the crop circles. Levengood did what he always does in this particular study. He did the plant work. But I hired totally independently the x-ray to fraction expert, who simply did the x-ray to fraction work. I then hired a statistician who did nothing but the statistics. And I was lucky enough to have the help of Dr. Robert C. Reynolds, Jr., head of the Department of Sciences at Dartmouth and the world's acknowledged leading authority on clay minerology and x-ray to fraction technique. He agreed to interpret our results. None of these men, except for Levengood, had even heard of a crop circle. They did not know even what they were. And none of them knew each other, nor did they know Levengood. So we have here as strong a statement about that there could be no experimental bias here, because three of the guys involved had never even heard of crop circles, none of the people knew each other, and each person only did their own work. The circle that we sampled for this particular work happened to be in Canada. ... When Dr. Reynolds saw our results, he was at first so stunned he said: "Oh no, there must be some mistake. This can't possibly be so. We simply have never seen such a change [at the surface; only under high pressure from above and heat from the earths core]." We were looking at the crystalline structures of very specific clays in the surface soils of these crop circles. The theory was that if heat affects the plants, then it might also affect some of these clay minerals. Clay minerals are known to be affected by heat readily. ... Based on these facts [and after very extensive studying and restudying] he said: "We must then be dealing with an energy unknown to science." And that's exactly what he said. And furthermore, his wife told me he was modest in his comments with me, as most academics are. ... He was on the telephone talking to his son, who is apparently also a geologist. And the remark he made to his son was: "I wonder if these people know what they've got."" Explains things considerably longer in the interview.
• June 17, 2011, SHT general assigment reporter Billy Cox (billy.cox@heraldtribune.com) for the Sarasota Herald-Tribune's De Void magazine, 'Going against the grain': '' Dr. Robert Reynolds, the former president of the Clay Minerals Society and Dartmouth College professor emeritus of geology and mineralogy, was utterly stumped by the transformation of crystalline structures in the surface soil beneath the stricken crops. The changes he observed would've required temps of between 1,500 and 1,800 degrees F, sustained over a period of hours. But that type of heat should've incinerated the plants. ... At one point, Reynolds was shepherding this material toward a juried forum. But he died in 2004. So did Rockefeller. Levengood is in his mid 80s and slowing down. Money is tight. So let's roll ahead to 2011. ... There's a lot more to this story, but Talbot knows better than to mention the U-word around strangers, so she attempts to make connections to plasma discharges and microwaves of unknown etiology. But she's not delusional about the future of crop circles in the mass mind. "Oh, people make calendars and take pictures and do tours and talk about spiritual stuff. And that may be true," she says. "But that's about as far as anybody will take it. The media idiotically says crop circles have to be made by aliens or hoaxers. But nobody's looking at what's going on inside the plants, the genetic changes, the nutritional value, all that. It's depressing.""
• Work supported by Colin Andrews in his 2003 book, but online always a tough relationship between the two over protocols used/not used. August 24, 2010, Colin Andrews, 'BLT got it wrong and should admit it and move on.': "As Nancy knows but has never engaged publicly, I worked with Pat Delgado and Levengood (See side note left panel) on plant analysis before Nancy was even aware of crop circles. My family members visited his lab and inspected his protocols and my own research colleagues were in fact engaged by BLT as the first sampling team in England. I give this short back drop to my point and it's this."
• Deeply involved with Dutch psychic Robbert van den Broeke in later years.
• April 3, 2013, Algemeen Dagblad (major Dutch newspaper), 'Joran ziet gedaante van paragnost in cel verschijnen': "Joran van der Sloot has been 'visited' in his cell by Robbert van den Broeke. Not in person, no, the self-described medium from the Netherlands would have appeared in spirit before Joran. This is what Hart van Nederland is reporting on the basis of a letter to Joran. His lawyer would have sent the letter to the editors of the news program. Van den Broeke is not uncontroversial. In 2005 he appeared in the TV program 'There is so much more' of Irene Moors. Van den Broeke demonstrated his paranormal abilities here. Later it was revealed that he had gotten this information from the internet. The letter from Joran about Robbert van den Broeke is not the only link between the medium and the murderer of Stephany Flores. For some time now van den Broeke has been working with Stan P. Right before the murder on Flores this Limburger, also a highly sensitive person, according to Van den Broeke, plotted with his poker buddy Joran a conspiracy to blackmail a homosexual man, about whom they knew he had child pornography on his computer."